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[1. Opening Items]
THIS IS THE BOARD WORK SESSION.IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR US, BUT WE HAVE A BRIEFER AGENDA, AND WORK TO DO DURING THE DAY, AND WE WILL HAVE A CLOSED SESSION AFTERWARD.
OFFICIALLY CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER.
WE HAVE ALL FOUR BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT, AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AS I MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF AGENDA, BUT THESE ARE CENTRAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE HAVING A WORK SESSION THIS MONTH, SOMETIMES WE DON'T IN JUNE.
NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S WORK SESSION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> WE HAVE AN APPROVED AGENDA.
WE CAN START WITH THE ACTION ITEMS.
[2.01 Administrative Appointment: Chief Financial Officer]
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAD AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPOINTMENT.>> YES, WE DO. PRESIDENT BARKER, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM PLEASED TO COME TO YOU TODAY WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER POSITION, AS THE BOARD IS AWARE OF, THE POSITION DID BECOME OPEN ON JUNE 7TH.
WE MOVED THROUGH OUR INTERVIEW PROCESS.
AFTER THAT PROCESS WAS COMPLETE, I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY, AS A RECOMMENDATION, MRS. JILL HIGGINS, WHO IS HERE WITH US TO SERVE IN THE ROLE OF THE CFO OVER CAROLINE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
JILL GRADUATED FROM SALISBURY UNIVERSITY.
BEFORE THAT SHE HAS A [INAUDIBLE] GRAD.
SHE GRADUATED FROM SALISBURY UNIVERSITY ACTUALLY WITH A DUAL MAJOR IN ACCOUNTING AND INFORMATION SYSTEMS. JILL WAS HIRED BY US RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE, STARTED OUT AS AN ACCOUNTANT INTERNAL AUDITOR WITH US, AND HAS WORKED UP THROUGH OUR FINANCE OFFICE, RECENTLY BEING PROMOTED TO ACCOUNTING MANAGER IN OCTOBER 22.
JILL HAS A VERY GOOD HANDLE ON THE INTERNAL WORKINGS OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE FINANCIAL NEEDS OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GOING FORWARD.
I THINK THIS IS A CREDIT TO HER, JILL HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF EVERY LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITY THAT'S BEEN OFFERED BY MARYLAND ASBO, ASSOCIATION SCHOOL BUSINESS OFFICIALS SINCE COMING INTO HER ROLE AND HAS COMPLETED THEIR LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.
SHE ACTUALLY RECEIVED A LEADERSHIP AWARD FROM THEM IN MAY OF 2022.
JILL HAS JUST BEEN A BLESSING TO OUR FINANCE OFFICE.
WHAT STOOD OUT IN HER INTERVIEW WAS NOT ONLY HER KNOWLEDGE OF OUR SYSTEMS, BUT I'LL BE HONEST, JILL HAS A GREAT EYE FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND FOR RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AND TEAM BUILDING ACROSS THE FINANCE OFFICE, WHICH WILL SERVE US REALLY WELL AS WE TRANSITION INTO THE BLUEPRINT REALM OF REDOING OUR BUDGETING SYSTEM, REDOING OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEMS. JILL WAS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED INTERNALLY, I WILL TELL YOU THAT.
QUITE A FEW PEOPLE AS SOON AS THE POSITION CAME OPEN WERE ASKING HER IF SHE WAS GOING TO APPLY AND ENCOURAGING HER TO AND ALSO OFFERING ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER.
I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S BEEN REFRESHING TO SEE EVEN IN THE SHORT TIME JUST HOW FOLKS HAVE TAKEN TO HER IN THIS ROLE OR THE THOUGHT ABOUT HER BEING IN THIS ROLE.
SHE MOVE INTO IT AS OF JULY 1 WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING HER TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> COMMENTS BOARD MEMBERS? QUESTION? MARYLIN.
>> JUST MAKING SURE WE DO HAVE ORGANIZED SUPPORT FOR JILL AS SHE STEPS INTO THIS ROLE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM OUR RETIRED ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, PREVIOUS CFO, MR. NAGLE.
JILL HAS ALREADY TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SUPPORT THROUGH ASBO, SHE'S NETWORKED WITH THERE.
MSDE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTIVE, EVEN IN THE LACK OF A CFO TIME PERIOD.
WE HAVE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO OUR EXTERNAL AUDITORS WHO WE USE, AND THEY WERE THRILLED WITH THE DIRECTION WE'RE MOVING AND HAVE OFFERED ALL SUPPORT AS WELL FOR JILL AND HER TEAM AS WE MAKE THIS TRANSITION.
>> I'LL COMMENT THAT THAT'S A QUICK PROCESS, AND THAT'S AMAZING.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES MONTHS TO FILL POSITIONS, OTHER PLACES TAKE A VERY LONG TIME.
YOU HAVE A PERSON RIGHT HERE STARING AT YOU, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT.
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YOU WILL DO A GREAT JOB.MY NUMBER 1 ADVICE TO ANYBODY ENTERING A JOB LIKE THAT IS BE PATIENT WITH YOURSELF.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY, COULD HAVE DONE THAT, START BY FORGIVING YOURSELF.
THINK HOW WOULD YOU FEEL WITH SOMEBODY ELSE? WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THEM? FORGIVE YOURSELF.
IF YOU CAN FORGIVE YOURSELF, THEN YOU'VE GOT A GOOD CREW TO WORK WITH.
ALTHOUGH THEY ARE SEPARATING THEMSELVES, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?
>> I SO MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE POSITION OF CHIEF FINANCE OFFICER GIVEN TO MS. JILL HIGGINS.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? GREAT. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> THEY DID NOT MAKE YOU SWEAT.
>> YEAH DEFINITELY PICTURES. JILL, SANDY WILL WANT TO DO PICTURES. GO AHEAD AND DO THAT NOW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHERE DO YOU WANT TO US STANDING?
ACTUALLY, I WOULD SAY GREAT, BUT IT'S GOOD.
NEXT ACTION ITEM IS A VERY SMALL DOCUMENT,
[2.02 Educational Facilities Master Plan]
THE EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT, PLENTY BIG. I DID LOOK AT IT.>> THIS WILL BE MR. MENGEL, THE WALK-THROUGH.
I'LL PASS TO BILL TO READ US THROUGH ALL 97 PAGES OR WHATEVER.
>> GOOD MORNING PRESENT BARTON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DR. SIMMONS.
I GAVE YOU SOME CLIPS OF WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF NUMBERS, AND I THOUGHT IF I JUST READ THEM TO YOU, YOU'D GET LOST TAKING NOTES AND MISS THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE STEPS GOING FORWARD.
I COME BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS 2023 EDUCATION FACILITY MASTERS PLAN, ACTUALLY KNOWN AS THE EFMP.
A LOT OF DATA IN IT IS DEFINITELY DATA PACKED EVERY PAGE.
>> HAVE YOU READ IT? I'M NOT SURE.
>> THERE'S A LOT. WHAT I CAN TRY AND DO BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, I'LL JUST TRY TO JUST GIVE A COUPLE OF BULLET POINTS, TALKING POINTS OF MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR OR SOMETHING THAT JUST WASN'T COVERED THE PREVIOUS YEAR BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WERE REPORTED AT THE TIME THAT I WANT TO BREAK IT DOWN.
IF I DON'T GO INTO THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT, BY ANY MEANS FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AND I'LL CHECK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE, OR OF COURSE AT THE END, WE HAVE QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD IF YOU WANT.
WE'LL TRY AND DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS MY THIRD EFMP PRESENTATION, AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, IT HAS A LITTLE FORESHADOWING ELEMENT TO ME BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DATA THAT'S IN HERE GOES INTO THE PORTFOLIOS, GOES INTO THE APPLICATIONS, GOES INTO THE FORMS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, EXTENSIONS ON THE BUILDING, ADDITIONS ON THE BUILDINGS OR OUR NEW BILL.
I GO BACK AND I CAN PULL THIS DATA.
I HAVE ABOUT 10 YEARS OF IT THAT I KEEP COLLECTING AND I JUST ROTATED THROUGH.
IT'S A CONSTANT 10-YEAR BILL, BUT THIS YEAR DID FEEL A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE SPECTRUM
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OF US MAYBE BUILDING ANOTHER BUILDING DOWN THE ROAD HERE.I'M NOT SAYING THAT DATA WASN'T TIGHT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA IS TIGHT GOING FORWARD SO WE HAVE THE INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE FOR AGENCIES LIKE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND THE IAC.
THE EFMP PROVIDES THE FOUNDATION FOR LONG-TERM FACILITIES PLANNING.
THE RULES, REGULATIONS, PROCEDURES FOR BOTH THE IAC COMMISSION OF SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION KNOWN AS THE IAC, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING, NOT AS MDP REQUIRE EACH LEA TO MANUALLY SUBMIT AN AMENDED SCHOOL SYSTEMS EFMP.
THIS MATCH THE PLANS, THE PLANNING TOOL THAT DEALS WITH THE LEA'S PROJECTED FACILITY NEEDS BY USING DATA, SYSTEMATIC FACTORS OF EACH CAROLINE COUNTY'S TOWNSHIPS AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
STUDIES INCLUDING COUNTY AND COMMUNITY ANALYSIS, DETAILED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE IAC AND MDP, AS WELL AS STUDENT ENROLLMENT FIGURES HELP GUIDE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION WITH DECISIONS NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF OUR SCHOOL BUILDING NEEDS.
THESE ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSIONS THERE WITHIN SYSTEM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH I COME TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER FOR FOR THAT APPROVAL AS WELL.
WE BUILT OFF OF THIS IN THE CIP, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED CAROLINE COUNTY 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS DOCUMENT MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE IAC BY JULY 1ST.
I KNOW WE'RE AT THE WALL HERE WITH THIS, BUT THANK YOU FOR MEETING SO WE CAN GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF AT THIS TIME OF THE MONTH.
THERE ARE BASICALLY THREE SYSTEMATIC FACTORS THAT GO INTO BEING USED FOR LONG-TERM PLANNING.
ONE IS THE COMMUNITY ANALYSIS OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AVAILABLE HOUSING, POPULATION TRENDS, SOME ASPECTS THAT MANY OF US DON'T CONSIDER LIKE SEWER AND WATER, TRANSPORTATION NEEDS, EMPLOYMENT PATTERNS.
THEN THERE'S DETAILED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE IAC, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING, THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN, BUT THERE'S ALSO DETAILED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENTS THAT OCCUR ON A MONTHLY BASIS THAT BASICALLY PERTAIN TO SYSTEM WIDE SCHOOL FACILITY INVENTORIES OF BUILDINGS, AND PROPERTY LAYOFFS, THE SCHOOL UTILIZATION PERCENTAGES, THE DECISIONS ON FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH BASICALLY BROKEN ON TWO AREAS; IS IT A PRIORITY, OR IS IT JUST A NEED? THEN FROM THERE, WHICH ARE THE QUESTIONS, WELL, WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE DO AN ADDITION? DO WE BUILD OR DO WE NOT DO ANYTHING AND JUST GO DIFFERENT OUT ALTOGETHER? STUDENT ENROLLMENTS, THE THIRD ONE.
THIS IS IMPACTED BY HISTORIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS ENROLLMENTS, INFLUENCES OF PRIVATE AND OR HOME SCHOOLING.
THEN THE ANNUAL ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED BOTH FROM THE STATE AND THE COUNTY.
THOSE ANNUAL ENROLLMENTS ARE VERY DETAILED, VERY NUMEROUS.
I KNOW MS. MILLIGAN HERE TO MY LEFT PROBABLY LOST A COUPLE OF NIGHTS SLEEP TRYING TO PULL THE DATA OUT BECAUSE IT'S VERY INTENSE.
THOSE ARE THE THREE POINTS I'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT.
I'LL JUST SPEAK ABOUT TWO OF THEM PRIMARILY AND MS. MILLIGAN WILL DO THE LAST ONE IS THE STUDENT ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS.
IN THE EFMP, YOU'LL PROBABLY NOTICE THAT THE CHARTS AND GRAPHS NOW INCLUDE 2020 DATA.
IN THE PAST, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT DATA BECAUSE IT WAS DELAYED BEING RELEASED.
THE 2020 CENSUS DATA HAS FINALLY BEEN RELEASED.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE CENSUS DATA ARRIVED TO MY DESK MUCH LATER IN THE FINALIZATION OF THE EFMP, SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO INCORPORATE MUCH DATA INTO IT AS I WAS HOPING.
I DO HAVE PLANS TO WORK WITH MS. LESLIE PUTIN THIS SUMMER WITH CAROLINE COUNTY ZONING AND PLANNING.
SHE IS CURRENTLY THE GATEKEEPER FOR THE CENSUS DATA THAT I FOUND OUT LATE IN THE SEASON TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
IF YOU'VE NEVER GONE TO THAT CENSUS DATA WEB PAGE, IT'S INTIMIDATING.
IT'S DAUNTING. YOU GET LOST REAL QUICK.
I LOVE GOING TO RABBIT HOLES IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM, BUT MY GOSH, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG FOR YOU TO GET LOST IN THAT THING.
A LOT OF DETAIL, A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUERIES THAT YOU CAN DO TO PULL DIFFERENT DATA POINTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT WAS JUST OVERWHELMING FOR ME, SO9 I NEED LESLIE TO HELP ME OUT.
THE FIRST SYSTEMATIC FACTOR, AS I SAID, WAS THE COMMUNITY ANALYSIS.
FOR THE MOST PART, COUNTY BASED PLANNING GROWTH IS APPARENTLY WITHIN THE TOWN OF DENTON.
FEBRUARY 13TH, 2024, THE TOWN OF DENTON RELEASED AN ORDINANCE, NUMBER 572, THAT ADOPTED THE NEW ZONING MAPS 01 AND 02.
THIS IS 01. THIS IS A PRETTY LITTLE MAP, ALL FULL OF COLORS, AND IT'S LOVELY TO LOOK AT.
IT DOES DESIGNATE THE DIFFERENT ZONINGS WITHIN THE TOWN'S BOUNDARIES WITH AGRICULTURE, WITH INDUSTRIAL, MIXED INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, MEDICAL, YOU HAVE IT.
NICE TO LOOK AT, BUT HONESTLY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT I THINK I HAD ON THIS, THE DATAS FOR ME THAT I NEED TO KNOW FOR GOING INTO THE FUTURE.
THIS MAP SHOWS SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLANNED NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN DEEMED ELIGIBLE BY THE TOWN OR APPLIED.
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IF YOU LOOK, I KNOW IT'S FAR AWAY.IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD BLOW IT UP? SOME DO HAVE IT ON THEIR LAPTOPS. THAT'S FINE.
PERFECT. YOU'LL SEE WE GOT THESE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS HERE.
THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
YOU SEE THIS ONE RIGHT DOWN HERE, THAT'S A LITTLE DARKER, THE THE PATTERN IS A CRISS-CROSS PATTERN, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S DARKER. THIS IS 404.
THIS IS WHERE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS.
THAT IS THE BIG FIELD BEHIND BLADES ROAD THAT THEY HAVE DESIGNATED THAT, AND THEY CALL THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPLIED.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I BELIEVE THAT MEANS THE DEVELOPERS HAVE A PLAN IN THE TOWN.
THEY HAVE THE LAYOUT DESIGN WITH THE STREETS AND WHERE THE HOUSING UNITS ARE GOING TO BE, WHERE THE PROPERTY PLOTS ARE GOING TO BE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOONER OR LATER IS, BUT OF THE THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE UP THERE, THAT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN FIRST.
THE NEXT THREE ARE PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD ELIGIBLE.
THESE ARE THESE SHADED AREAS DOWN HERE.
I BELIEVE THIS YEAR WILL HAPPEN ONCE THIS IS SUCCESSFUL.
THIS IS AN AREA OUT HERE BEHIND WALMART AREA.
HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS ONE YET.
VERY VAGUE. IT JUST SHOWED UP.
I WASN'T EXPECTING TO SEE IT SHOW UP ON THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE BIG ONES.
THEN THIS IS JUST TOWN, MORE DEVELOPED, THEY WANT TO DO LITTLE PLOTS HERE AND THERE.
THE ONE I THINK YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS 328. THIS IS ABOUT WHERE THE CEMETERY IS.
THIS IS, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN THE EARLY 2000S, MID-2000S, WHEN THAT CAME UP THE PATTERN BOOK DESIGN.
THEY ALSO INCORPORATED THEIR RELEASE.
THEY RELEASED THIS DESIGN OF WHAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE.
THIS WAS THE WEST DENTON DEVELOPMENT.
BACK THEN, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO POTENTIALLY DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE TOWN OF DENTON POPULATION WISE.
IT WAS GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS IN MARINA, A FIRE COMPANY, A SMALL SHOPPING CENTER IN THERE, JUST FOR STARTERS.
I JUST FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT IT'S BACK ON THE ON THEIR TABLE AGAIN, START THINKING ABOUT LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.
I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A WATER TREATMENT PLANT ESTABLISHED TO HANDLE THAT VOLUME.
THERE'S TALK ABOUT THAT MAYBE HAPPENING SOON, BUT SOON IS AT LEAST TWO YEARS AWAY, MAYBE THREE, MAYBE EVEN LONGER.
THERE'S A CHANCE IT MAY NOT EVEN HAPPEN.
THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IN ORDER FOR THAT PROJECT TO BE REALLY SUCCESSFUL, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT WATER TREATMENT PLANT ESTABLISHED.
I KNOW REPRESENTATIVE BRYCE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE STATE TO TRY AND GET SOME FUNDING, TRY AND GET SOME LOCATIONS WHERE TO PUT THAT POSSIBLE PLANT.
>> IT IS A LOT OF WATER FRONT. ABSOLUTELY.
>> YES. WHEN I LOOK AT PRESTON, AND I LOOK AT FEDERALSBURG, AND GREENSBORO, YOU DON'T SEE ALL THIS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THIS IS WHERE THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE COMING FROM IN CAROLINE COUNTY PROJECTING OUT IN THE FUTURE, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN MORE POPULATION, MEANS MORE KIDS.
>> I USED TO BE A [INAUDIBLE] THERE, I IDENTIFY RIGHT WHERE MY HOUSE IS.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO POINT YOU OUT. [LAUGHTER] THERE'S ALSO TWO OTHER AREAS OF INTEREST IN THE TOWN THAT ARE LOOKED TO BE DEVELOPED, BUT AREN'T DESIGNATED AS PLANNED NEIGHBORHOODS.
ONE, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE DENTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS RIGHT HERE, AND THEN ONE IS RIGHT HERE, THEY CALL IT THE SHARP ROAD.
IT WAS A 20 OR 30 ACRE PLOT OF LAND THAT ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS AGO, THEY WERE REALLY PUSHING TO PUT ABOUT 30-40 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN.
NOW BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF THE RIVER, THEY'RE GOING TO GO WITH 4-5.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BREAK THIS PROPERTY.
I OFTEN GOING TO PUT VERY LARGE PROPERTY WITH EACH HOME OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO JUST KEEP THE GREEN SPACE AND KEEP THE PROPERTY SIZE LOW.
TO ME, EITHER WAY, IT DOESN'T SOUND IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY GOOD MARKET FOR THOSE RENTERS OR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS TO GET INTO A HIGHER LEVEL, MORE EXPENSIVE HOME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S REALLY GOING TO IMPACT US.
ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS KNOWN AS THE MARKET STREET CAMP ROAD DEVELOPMENT.
A DEVELOPER CONTACTED ME ABOUT TWO, MAYBE THREE MONTHS AGO, WANT TO KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SEND YOU A LAYOUT.
HERE'S THE DIAGRAM, WHAT IT LOOKS ON THE CAMP ROAD SIDE TOWARDS THE NORTH END OF THAT.
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN ABOUT 100 TOWN HOMES, THEY WANT TO.
THE SOUTH END OF THAT, THAT WOULD ENTER FROM THE MARKET STREET SIDE OF THINGS.
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN ABOUT 60-70 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE REAL ROAD CONNECTING BOTH OF THOSE? THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSED TO ME WITH A COUPLE
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OF THINGS THAT WERE EDUCATED RELATED, BUT THE MAIN WAS, CAN OUR SCHOOLS HANDLE THE INFLUX OF STUDENTS THAT WILL BE MOVING INTO THAT? I SAID, THAT'S INSIDE, I HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND I RESPOND BACK.TO BE HONEST HE SAID, IF YOU PUT SHOVELS IN THE GROUND NOW, WE'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE.
I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT THAT PROCESS.
I ALREADY HAD IMMEDIATE CONVERSATION WITH TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO SAY, LOOK, THIS IS GOING TO LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE MOWERS LANDING TYPE OF MANEUVERABILITY IN THOSE STREETS.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK GET A BUS BACK THERE AND IT IS, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY SMALL BUS.
THAT MEANS YOU MIGHT NEED A LOT MORE BUSES.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT THESE POTENTIAL PICKUPS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW OUR BUSES TAKE 12-18 MONTHS TO GET IN.
THERE'S A LOT OF PRE-PLANNING THAT YOU HAD.
>> THAT PROJECT, IN PARTICULAR, HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION POINT WITH COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AND WITH THE TOWN DENTON, SO THEY ARE COMMUNICATING TOGETHER ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THOSE THINGS?
>> I WILL GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, ALSO THE DEVELOPER WAS SENT TO TALK TO US BY OUR GOVERNMENT, BY THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF DENTON SAY, WE ALL NEED TO BE TALKING.
I APPRECIATE THEM SENDING THAT PERSON OUR WAY TO GET THAT FEEDBACK NOW.
>> ACCORDING TO THE LATEST CENSUS DATA, OUR POPULATIONS ARE CHANGING.
THERE WE GO. THIS IS THE POPULATION CHANGE FROM 2010-2020, A 10 YEAR SPAN BY ELECTION DISTRICT IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
DURING THOSE 10 YEARS, WE ONLY HAD A 0.71 INCREASE IN POPULATION GROWTH.
DENTON EXPERIENCED A NEARLY FIVE AND THREE-QUARTER INCREASE IN POPULATION.
AMERICAN QUARTER WAS DOWN OVER 3%.
WE DO HAVE SOME CHANGES WE'RE SEEING.
SURPRISINGLY HERE IS PRESTON. I CAN'T READ IT.
>> NEGATIVE FIVE. I WAS SURPRISED ABOUT THAT.
THAT WAS A DECADE BEFORE REPORTED NOW.
HISTORICAL POPULATION FROM 1930 THROUGH 2020.
I'M ONLY WORRIED REALLY ABOUT THE LAST TWO COLUMNS THERE.
IF YOU'VE LEFT THE DISTRICT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE 2010 CAROLINE COUNTY'S POPULATION WAS 33,177, AND 2020, CAROLINE COUNTY'S POPULATION WAS 33,293.
WE HAVE A GROSS NET OF ONLY 116 PEOPLE ADDED TO THE POPULATION OF THOSE 10 YEARS.
WE'RE NOT LOSING FOR THE DENTON. THE LAST ONE HERE.
OUR ANNUAL RATE OF POPULATION CHANGED BY ELECTION DISTRICT.
THIS IS A SIMPLE MATH THAT MDP DID.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD 0.71% GROWTH IN THOSE 10 YEARS.
THIS IS DIVIDED BY 10, IT GIVE US 0.07% GROWTH ANNUALLY.
THE SECOND SYSTEMATIC FACTOR, DETAILED DISCUSSIONS.
I WANT TO REVIEW WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR OR WHERE WE ALL THOUGHT WE WERE LAST YEAR BY LOOKING BACK AT THE 2010 CENSUS DATA AND HOW THAT CHANGED WITH THE 2020 CENSUS DATA.
IN 2010, OUR DATA PROJECTIONS SAW THE GROWTH IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE COUNTY.
NORTH COUNTY SHOWED LIMITED GROWTH AND SOUTH COUNTY SHOWED FLAT OR VERY LITTLE GROWTH.
LAST YEAR, WE EXPECT THE 2020 CENSUS DATA TO REFLECT THE DIFFERENT STORY.
WE EXPECT TO SEE INCREASES IN STRONG GROWTH SHIFTS IN NORTH COUNTY.
WE EXPECTED CENTRAL AND SOUTH COUNTY TO EXPERIENCE NORMAL OR FLAT GROWTH.
I'LL GIVE THEM A YES AND A NO.
ACCORDING TO THE 2020 CENSUS DATA PRODUCED NEW PROJECTIONS THAT WERE MODERATELY LOWER IN THE NEAR TERM COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS MDP PROJECTIONS.
TOTAL POPULATION IS NOW EXPECTED TO GROW AT A SLOWER RATE FROM THE 33,177 IN 2010 TO 44,520 45.
I WANT TO CAUTION FOR IT. THAT'S A 35 YEAR LOOK.
I SEE STUFF LIKE THAT, RINGS IN MY MIND ABOUT, WE CAN'T TELL OTHERS LIKE TOMORROW, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROJECT SOMETHING OUT 35 YEARS.
>> ESPECIALLY IF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN, IT REALLY SHIFT EVERYTHING.
>> REALLY BE CAUTIOUS WITH THAT PARTICULAR FIGURE.
IT'S WHAT THEY'RE GIVING, AND EVEN THESE NEXT FIGURES I'M GIVING YOU, I'M TAKING THEM VERY LIGHTLY.
THE ANNUAL GROWTH FOR THE VARIOUS FIVE YEAR PERIODS 2020-2035 BY MDP ARE BETWEEN 1% AND 1.9%.
STILL NOT A LOT OF GROWTH THERE AT ALL.
FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS IN 2020,
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AT 1.1%, 2025-2030 AT 1.8%.THEN WE PRETTY MUCH DUPLICATE THAT AGAIN FROM 2030-2035 AT 1.19%.
IF YOU TAKE THAT RANGE OF 1%-1.19% AND BREAK BY DECADES, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME GROWTH GOING AND THERE'S SOME PROJECTIVE GROWTH,M BUT I THINK IT IS KIND OF NORMAL.
IN 1990-2000 ONLY 1% GROWTH IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
2000-210 OF 1.07%, NOT MUCH GROWTH THERE.
2010-2020, 0.07%. IT'S FLUCTUATING, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT'S AT.
ANOTHER INDICATOR IS HOUSING PERMITS.
REVIEW OF CAROLINE COUNTY HOME PERMITS CLEARLY SHOWS TWO LONG LASTING ECONOMIC IMPACT BETWEEN 2008-2020.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING REALLY NEW WITH EVERYBODY.
I THINK WE ALL IDENTIFY WHAT THEY ARE.
THE GREAT RECESSION HAPPENED AROUND 2007.
HERE'S THE FALLOUT OF OCCUPANTS AS A RESULT OF THAT.
TOOK A WHILE FOR US TO RECOVER.
WE STARTED RECOVER BACK AROUND 2015, AND WE STARTED HAVING SOME UPTICK AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN COVID KICKED IN.
WE SHUT DOWN FOR ABOUT A YEAR SOCIETY WISE, UNTIL WE STARTED GETTING BACK TO NORMAL.
BUT THANKS FOR STILL PROCESSING LOANS AND THEY WERE STILL SELLING PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING.
IT REALLY DIDN'T TAKE THAT MUCH OF A DROP IN 2020.
BUT WHAT WE START SEEING HERE IS THROUGH HERE, 2021, 91 HOMES, THAT'S THE HOUSING BOOM.
THE POST-COVID HOUSING BOOM THAT KICKED IN WITH VERY HISTORICAL LOW INTEREST RATES, AND PROPERTIES GETTING VALUE VERY HIGHLY.
THE HOME VALUES OR PROPERTY VALUES GOT ON THAT TRAIN REAL QUICK BECAUSE IF WE COULD BUY A HOUSE AND WITHIN 30 DAYS HAVE A LOT OF EQUITY BUILT INTO IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THERE GOING UP.
WE'RE SEEING THAT, THEY'RE HAVING FLOW WITH THE ECONOMIC TIMES THAT WE'VE OCCURRED IN THE LAST TWO DECADES OR SO. ISSUE?
>> YES. YOU HAVE THE ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS THAT ARE IN THE PLAN, BUT DR. SIMMONS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ASKED, WHAT'S OUR CURRENT ENROLLMENT? HOW HAS IT CHANGED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR? THIS TABLE, THE THIRD COLUMN IS OUR ENROLLMENT AS OF JUNE 1ST, SO NOT THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT JUNE 1.
I LOOKED AT IT AND RIGHT-HAND COLUMN IS JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 30TH, WHICH IS OUR OFFICIAL COUNT, WHAT WE WERE FUNDED ON.
JUST THE CHANGE FROM BEGINNING TO THE END OF YEAR.
WE HAD A NET GAIN OF 47 STUDENTS.
THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR IN THIS ROLE, AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED AT HOW FLUID OUR ENROLLMENT IS.
WHAT'S OUR CURRENT ENROLLMENT IS NOT AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER BECAUSE IT LITERALLY CHANGES FROM DAY-TO-DAY.
BUT NOTICE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAD A NECK GAIN OF STUDENTS.
GREENSBORO AND RIDGELY, IN PARTICULAR, HAD OVER 20 AND 24 STUDENTS, WHICH IS THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO A WHOLE ANOTHER TEACHER.
THAT NET GAIN OF 47, SO THEN I WAS LIKE, WHERE ARE THESE STUDENTS COMING FROM? FOR THE NEXT SLIDE, I JUST THOUGHT THIS IS INTERESTING INFORMATION.
I SPLIT THIS OUT BY NORTHERN END AND SOUTHERN END.
THESE ARE THE STUDENTS THAT CAME IN.
OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, WE HAD 111 STUDENTS COME IN ENROLL AFTER SEPTEMBER 30TH.
SOME OF THEM CAME AND WENT AND SOME THAT WERE HERE LEFT.
THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY ALL STAY.
BUT 111 ENROLLED AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE COUNTY, 69 OF THEM WERE FROM FEDERALSBURG, WHICH DOES NOT DIVE WITH THE PROJECTION NUMBERS, AND 38 IN PRESTON, WHICH AGAIN IS INCONSISTENT.
>> THIS DATA WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT REALLY HELPED OPEN OUR EYES TO THE TRANSITORY NEIGHBOR OR CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR POPULATION THAT WE DIDN'T SEE 10, 15, 20 YEARS AGO.
THIRTY-SIX KIDS COMING IN AND OUT OF FEDERALSBURG, IS PROBABLY ABOUT 8% OF THE SCHOOL'S POPULATION TURNS OVER IN THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
THE TOWN OF FEDERALSBURG, 69 KIDS IN ONE ZIP CODE IS SIGNIFICANT FOR TURNOVER, AND PRESTON AS SMALL AS IT IS OF A TOWN AS WELL, THE C38, AND THERE'S REALLY BEEN IN BOTH TOWNS.
IN ESSENCE, ALMOST NO NEW HOMES BEING BUILT,
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BUT THOSE ARE FAMILIES CHANGING THEIR HOUSING SITUATION OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, WAY MORE THAN WHAT WE USED TO SEE.>> I THINK IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THAT'S NOT THE NATURE OF THIS PRESENTATION, BUT THE CHALLENGES THAT OUR SCHOOLS HAVE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR STUDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE A LOT OF MOVEMENT.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS AT THE NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY.
I PUT GOLDSBORO AND MARYDEL TOGETHER.
WE DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION OR NEW HOUSING IN THE GREENSBORO AREA, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT MORE STUDENTS.
MORE STUDENTS COMING IN, 55 IN GOLDSBORO WITH MARYDEL, 26 IN GREENSBORO, AND RIDGELY 44.
THE HENDERSON SPLITS BETWEEN GREENSBORO AND RIDGELY.
THE MAJORITY WENT IN GREENSBORO.
NORTH CAROLINE HAD A GAIN OF 66 STUDENTS, BUT TWO SLIDES AGO, THEY LOST.
THEY HAD 24 FEWER STUDENTS BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AGAIN, I JUST THOUGHT THIS INFORMATION WAS INTERESTING.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT CONCLUSIONS WE CAN DRAW OTHER THAN WE CAN'T DRAW CONCLUSIONS.
>> BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT LOOKING AT PROJECTIONS, IT'S REALLY HARD NOW BECAUSE WE'RE FINDING MORE AND MORE FAMILIES THAT ARE SHARING HOUSING, THAT ARE DOUBLING UP AND TRIPLING UP, AND SO WHERE WE MIGHT NOT SEE NEW CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING AND GO, THERE'S OUR PINPOINT FOR WHEN WE NEED TO BUILD OR RENOVATE BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING SO MANY MORE AFFIDAVITS OF SHARED HOUSING, THOSE WAYS IN WHICH STUDENTS ENROLL.
THAT JUST MAKES IT A REAL CHALLENGE FOR TRYING TO PROJECT WHEN THOSE CONSTRUCTION VARIABLES WILL KICK IN.
>> I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT LOOKS LIKE CONTINUAL SHIFTING OF ADDING STUDENTS, LOSING STUDENTS, ADDING NEW ONES, LOSING AND ADDING THE DEMAND ON STAFF TO ENROLL THOSE STUDENTS AND IN DETAILS YOU HAVE TO HAVE NEW ENROLLED STUDENTS.
THEN TEACHER HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S NOT VERY SPECIAL, BUT THEY HAVE TO SORT OUT WHERE THAT CHILD FITS INTO THEIR EDUCATIONAL PROCESS.
THEY'RE CONSTANTLY SHIFTING AND CHANGING THERE'S NO DATA.
>> WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS DATA, I THINK THE BOARD WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS.
IT DOES DEFINITELY SPEAK TO THE CHALLENGE OF MEETING THE NEEDS OF SCHOOL.
>> ENROLLMENT USED TO BE SUMMER BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND A MID YEAR, AND THAT WAS IT FOR THE MOST PART.
ENROLLMENT NOW IT'S JUST LIKE HIRING NOW.
ENROLLMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ROLLING ALL YEAR LONG.
THE ONLY TIME IT TENDS TO SLOW DOWN IS WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS OF SCHOOL.
>> BUT ONLY BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS ABOUT TO END.
>> THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME IT WAS A LOT, BUT IT'S FLAT.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SHOULD THE OUT OF DISTRICT STUDENTS AT RIDGELY DENTON KNOW?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE, BUT THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS FROM SALISBURY AND ONE FROM QUEEN ANNE'S.
THEY COULD BE CHILDREN OF STAFF.
>> THEY COULD BE TUITION PAYERS?
>> YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
>> THEY COULD BE EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
>> IT'S NOT THAT MID YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY ON THE SOUTHERN END?
>> MOST OF OUR STAFF TYPICALLY ARE THE ONES THAT HAPPEN OVER THE SUMMER, SO THEY WOULDN'T SHOW UP IN THIS.
THIS A LOT OF TIME ENDS UP BEING THE TUITION PAYER.
WE'RE GOOD TUITION BY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT COMPARED TO MOST AROUND BECAUSE TUITION PAYERS JUST PICK UP THE COUNTY PORTION OF THE COST TO EDUCATE IF THEY'RE IN THE STATE OF MARYDEL.
IT'S A GOOD BARGAIN IF YOU DON'T MIND PAYING TUITION AND YOU WANT TO COME HERE.
AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THINGS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THERE WE GO. I FOUND THE SLIDE INTERESTING.
DOESN'T SHARE MUCH WITH THE MDP EXCEPT IT DOES GIVES FOR SHADING THAT I ALLUDED TO RIGHT AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
IT'S THE REVIEW OF NEW HOME CONSTRUCTIONS.
REALLY SHOWS THE IMPACT OF LARGE COMMUNITIES THAT OCCURRED.
I FEEL HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF AND I FEEL WE'RE ON THE CUSP
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OF THIS AREA HERE HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN.YOU SEE THE TOTAL HOMES AT 367, 356, 296.
THEN WE GET BACK INTO JUST A MORE TRADITIONAL MODEL OF NUMBER OF HOMES, HOUSING PERMITS EACH YEAR.
THIS AREA HERE EACH YEARS IS WHEN POWER PLANTING AND SAVANNAH OVERLOOK WERE BEING DEVELOPED AND CAME ON LINE WITH ALL THOSE HOMES.
THEN COUPLE THAT WITH SOME OTHER HOMES IN THE TOWN THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME.
I GET CONCERNED BECAUSE I THINK THESE NUMBERS HERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GREAT, THEY WON'T BE QUITE AS HIGH, BUT I THINK WE'LL SEE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS IF THE MARKET STREET CAMP ROAD DEVELOPMENT GO ONLINE.
THEN YOU SEE A COUPLE OF THAT WITH SHARP ROAD DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT GOES ONLINE.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM THE 30S AND 40S AND 50S TO THE 100S, 200S QUICKLY.
>> AND THEY'LL BE CONCENTRATED IN THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> SO I JUST WANT TO POINT, THE HISTORY DOES ALWAYS REPEAT ITSELF.
THE CHANGE IS JUST ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND USE THE SAME TRENDS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 300, 400 NUMBERS CLOSE TO THAT.
WE MAY BE, LET'S SAY, MAYBE IN THE 150, 200, 300 RANGE, BOTH RANGE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS IF THESE DEVELOPMENT COME ON BOARD.
AND THAT WILL DEFINITELY IMPACT THE WAY WE CONDUCT OUR SCHOOL BUSINESS.
>> IT'S TRUE BUT AT PRESSURE ON DENTON ELEMENTARY, LOCKERMAN, AND NORTH.
>> DENTON, LOCKERMAN, AND NORTH
>> YEAH, THOSE THREE IN PARTICULAR.
>> WHAT'S THE PROJECTED FOR LOCKERMAN?
>> WE WERE THINKING FY28 IS WHEN THE COUNTY WILL BE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR COMPONENT.
>> WOULD THAT BE PROBABLY AT THE END OF MARCH?
>> SO YOU PROBABLY COME ONLINE IN 31, 32.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY IT MIGHT NOT BE SOON ENOUGH.
>> IF WE STAY IN A GOOD SPOT WITH STATE SHARE LOCAL SHARE.
IF WE STAY LESS WEALTHY THAN EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THE SHARE STAYS GOOD, IT HELPS THE COUNTY BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY BE IN A POSITION IF THEY HAD TO FUND ONE WHILE STARTING ANOTHER.
WHEN WE DID GREENSBORO, WHAT WAS THE LOCAL SHARE? PROBABLY 20%?
>> RIGHT NOW, THE LOCAL SHARE, IF IT WERE TO HOLD, GOING FORWARD, AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE, BECAUSE THEY SET IT FOR EVERY TWO YEARS, WHAT'S IT NOW?
>> SO THEY COVER 6%. OR WE COVER 6%.
THE STATE COVERS 94 [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF THE TIMING WORKED OUT, MR. PLUCHETT, WE COULD HAVE BUILT PROBABLY DENTON AND LOCKERMAN.
THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY LOCALLY THAT COST TO BUILD GREENSBORO.
>> BECAUSE IT'S JUST THAT STATE SHARE REALLY MATTERS.
>> MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER IT OR NOT, BUT WERE WE IN A BETTER POSITION IN THE EARLY 2000S TO DEAL WITH THIS KIND OF A POPULATION THAN WE ARE NOW? I KNOW NOBODY WAS REALLY IN POSITION AT THAT POINT.
>> WE COULD CERTAINLY GO BACK AND PULL THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> AS FAR AS OUR SCHOOL SIZING OVER [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT KIND OF SITUATION WERE WE IN THE, AND COMPARED TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW?
>> I COULD OFFER A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS 2008 WHEN I BECAME A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, AND THE COUNTY HAD ENOUGH STABILITY FINANCIALLY.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW IT'S MANAGED.
BUT THEY WERE BOOM TIMES AND THE COUNTY HAD MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A PURCHASE OF DOUBLE HILLS AND THE PROJECT FOR THE TECH PARK, THE BRIDGE LAKE.
AND THE COUNTY WAS IN BOOM TIME.
THAT'S PRETTY DESCRIBING. THEY WERE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS COMING JUST LIKE WE ARE NOW.
AND THAT RECESSION THAT MR. MENGEL REFERRED TO PREVIOUSLY, THAT KILLED THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, WHERE YOU RECEIVED ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO LIKE THAT.
AND ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES FOR THE COUNTY THEN COMPARED TO TODAY IS THE FAMOUS GASOLINE TAX.
THE COUNTY USED TO GET A LARGE CHUNK OF MONEY FROM THE COUNTY SHARE OF THE GASOLINE TAX.
DURING GOVERNOR O'MALLEY'S TERM WHEN THE RECESSION HIT, THEY TOOK THAT AWAY.
THE COUNTY HAS NEVER RECOVERED.
THEY'VE GOT SOME OF IT BACK BUT VERY MINOR.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SEVERAL MILLION OF DOLLARS THAT A COUNTY LIKE THIS LOSES, HOW DO THEY MAKE UP FOR IT? SO AT THE TIME, THE THINKING WAS,
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WELL, JUST CUT YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.THAT'S WHAT FUNDS THAT PRIMARILY.
NO PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. HAT DOESN'T WORK.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO IF YOU HAVE TO CUT EVERYTHING ELSE? SO THE COUNTY WAS IN BETTER POSITION THEN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN MY OPINION, THAN THEY ARE TODAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR BUDGET.
THEY HAVE THEIR BUDGET AND IT'S ALL PREDETERMINED LARGELY WHERE IT'S GOING.
WHETHER IT'S EMS, 911 CENTER, CORRECTIONS, PLANNING.
EVERYTHING IN PLANNING IN CODE IS REQUIRED BY LAW.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR BACK.
THEY KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM, OR EVERETT COUNTY PART.
THEY'LL DO THEIR BEST. THEY HAVE REALLY GREAT SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> I THINK THE TOWN AND THE COMMISSIONERS ARE IN A BETTER SPOT.
AND THE MORE THAT THEY CAN ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION AND WE CAN CONNECT IN CONVERSATION, BECAUSE BUILDING INSIDE TOWN LIMITS HAS A DRAMATIC IMPACT ON COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE AND COUNTY FACILITIES.
>> SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN? THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THINGS THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES, BUT YET RESIDE WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS, I THINK WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THOUGHT ABOUT ON THE FRONT END, NOT THE BACK END..
>> NONE OF THOSE WERE EVER MENTIONED OF AN R450 COMMUNITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
>> SOMETIMES I KNOW THEY LIKE TO SEE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE'VE HEARD THE RUMORS OF THAT.
>> THAT DOESN'T BRING MORE STUDENTS DOWN.
>> THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION, WAS ABOUT FACILITIES.
>> DENTON HAS SOME ROOM TO ABSORB SOME.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE LIKE THIS KEMPT ROAD DEVELOPMENT.
IF IT CAME IN AN IDEAL SITUATION WHERE THE KIDS WERE THIRD AT DENTON, THIRD AT LOCKERMAN, THIRD AT NORTH, WE'D BE OKAY IF THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
IF WE HAD ANOTHER OR IF THEY'RE NOT PERFECT, IF IT'S FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AT KEMPT ROAD AND THEY'RE LARGE ELEMENTARY KIDS, WE'LL BE LOOKING TO COME PROBABLY PORTABLE TO DENTON WHILE WE TRANSITION AND MAY HAVE TO PUT LOCKERMAN OFF TO DO DENTON.
BUT THEN YOU'RE ONLY KICKING THE CAN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE LOCKERMAN IS GOING TO HAVE THOSE SAME CAPACITY ISSUES.
ALL OF THEM RIGHT NOW CAN ABSORB SOME KIDS.
NORTH HIGH'S OUR HIGHEST PERCENTAGE.
THEIR BUBBLE SHOULD START TRENDING DOWN IN ANOTHER TWO TO THREE YEARS.
BUT AGAIN, ONE LARGE DEVELOPMENT IS ENOUGH TO THROW THE WALL OFF.
IT'S NOT HAPPENING ON THE SOUTHERN END WHERE THE SCHOOLS AREN'T AS FULL.
AND IT CAN'T HAPPEN THERE BECAUSE OF AG PRESS.
BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING WHERE WE HAVE THE SPACE TO ABSORB IT, IN OUR FACILITIES.
>> SO PRETTY MUCH TO WRAP THIS WHOLE THING UP, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE STATE WHERE WE'RE AT.
POPULATION WISE, GROWTH WISE, HUNTSMAN COUNTY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND GROW.
I REALLY FEEL THAT THE CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY IS POISED TO REALLY MAKE A STRONG PUSH WITH THEIR POPULATIONS.
I KIND OF JUST BASED ON THE PLANNING THAT I'VE SEEN THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE GROWTH IS GOING TO DO CAROLINE.
SOUTH, THERE IS NOTHING THERE.
LAND PRESERVATION FOUNDATION LOCKS THAT PLACE.
LOTS OF LAND DOWN THERE WE CAN DEVELOP.
>> THAT'S A GOOD THING. IT'S NOT A BAD THING.
>> I THINK WE HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
WHEN CAN WE GO BACK TO THE WEST END EXPANSION? IF THAT WAS EVER TO HAPPEN AND IT WAS NOT MORE OF A RETIRE.
BACK YEARS AGO IT MORE OF IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A RETIREMENT AGE COMMUNITY.
>> YEAH, THERE WAS A SECTION THERE.
>> IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS.
SAY THAT BECAME THE SAME TYPE OF ALCOHOL DEVELOPMENTS AS WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY SEE.
ARE LIKE MALLARD LANDING, SAVANNAH OVER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
WOULD THAT WARRANT AN ADDITIONAL SCHOOL LIKE JUST A COMPLETELY NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? THIS IS MORE OF A WEST.
YOU HAVE YOUR DENTON ELEMENTARY AND YOUR WEST DENTON.
WOULD THAT BE THE TYPE OF PLACE THAT WOULD WANT THAT?
>> WHEN IT CAME UP LAST TIME, WHICH WE WOULD NEED TO 100% RESURRECT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE AND GO BACK TO IT.
WHEN THAT WAS LAST SUPPOSED TO COME ON BOARD, THE COUNTY PUT TOGETHER A WORK GROUP,
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AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL SCHOOL THAT WOULD BE AN UPPER ELEMENTARY THAT COULD TURN INTO A SWING AS AN ADDITIONAL MIDDLE.AT THE TIME, LOCKERMAN WASN'T OLD ENOUGH TO CONSIDER A NEW BUILD FOR IT, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL SCHOOL ON THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY TO ABSORB THAT POPULATION.
>> AND AGAIN, BUILD IT SO IT COULD THEN PICK UP THAT SAME GROUP OF KIDS FOR SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT.
AND THEN SO BASICALLY TWO MIDDLES WOULD EVENTUALLY FEED NORTH HIGH.
>> YOU'RE TALKING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
>> YEAH IF IT'S THAT BIG, WEST DENTON, LIKE WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT, IF THAT WERE EVER TO COME BACK ONLINE AGAIN, WE WILL BE A 10 SCHOOL PLUS A TECH CENTER SCHOOL DISTRICT VERY RAPIDLY.
>> PLUS SOMETHING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN TO NORTH CAROLINA.
>> MAJOR TO HAVE IT BE ABLE TO HOLD THAT MANY KIDS.
>> WHICH THEY'RE NOW NOT EVEN.
>> YOU'D ALMOST HAVE TO SEND SOME THE KERNEL.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO READJUST THE LINE, WHICH IS A WHOLE ANOTHER BALL GAME.
>> THIS WILL HAVE LOTS OF FUN [LAUGHTER].
>> THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER ANIMAL.
>> THEY'D PROBABLY BE LONGER THAN THAT.
>> THEY CHOSE TO HAVE A WORK GROUP TO STUDY A NEW SCHOOL INSTEAD OF BUILT.
>> DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE KIDS THAT ARE TWO MILES FROM HIGH SCHOOL?
>> IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE, YOU'VE GOT TO SEND A BUS BASICALLY ALL THE WAY TO MALLOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH KIDS TO PICK UP ANYWHERE WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE TOWN OF DENTON TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE.
I COULDN'T IMAGINE COMING IN THE WAY [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'D BE A BIG CHANGE. YOU'D ALWAYS HAVE TO USE THE RIVER TO SPLIT IT.
>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING A BOAT [LAUGHTER].
>> WE MIGHT HAVE TO DROP THEM OFF AT GAINESVILLE [LAUGHTER].
>> BUT YOU COULD USE THE RIVER TO SPLIT IT.
WE CAN DO THAT NOW WITH SOME OF THE DAMS THAT ARE WORSE.
>> WELL, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY ARE POSITIONED BETTER IN TERMS OF THEIR WORK.
>> BACK THEN, IT WAS REALLY CONTENTIOUS.
>> I KNOW THAT. I'M JUST SAYING.
>> SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE EFMP TO MOVE FORWARD AND SUBMIT.
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EFMP?
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE EFMP AS PRESENTED.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, ALL IN FAVOR?
>> I DO WANT TO MAKE SPECIAL NOTE.
I WANT TO THANK MR. JOSH RYAN SITTING OVER HERE FOR DILIGENTLY [OVERLAPPING].
>> MS. MILLIGAN OVER HERE TO GO OVER THE DATA BULLET.
I KNOW IT'S NICE IF EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND HIS DETAILED WORK.
>> ALL RIGHT. AND NOW ON TO OUR FINAL ACTION ITEM,
[2.03 FY25 Operating Budget Approval]
THE FY25 OPERATING BUDGET APPROVAL.>> SO GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS.
BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE THE BUDGET SUMMARY AS PRESENTED IN MAY.
WE DID RECEIVE FINAL INFORMATION FROM MSDE.
THERE WERE NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET SUMMARY.
SO WE HAVE BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, THE SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES TO THE FY25 BUDGET FROM THE FY24.
THE FULL BUDGET DOCUMENT, THE PROBABLY 90 PLUS PAGE BUDGET DOCUMENT WILL FOLLOW PROVIDED THE BOARD APPROVES THE SUMMARY AS PRESENTED.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FOR THE BOARD IN THE MONTH OF JULY FOR THE FULL DOCUMENT THAT BREAKS EVERYTHING OUT.
GIVEN THE TRANSITION AND CHANGES IN THE CFO OFFICE, WE WERE JUST NOT ABLE TO GET THE FULL DOCUMENT TOGETHER FOR TODAY'S MEETING AND TIME FOR TODAY.
SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE WALKING DOWN, THERE'S NO CHANGES FROM LAST TIME WE DID MEET.
INSURANCE RATES MAINTAIN THE SAME.
OUR ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THAT WE PROPOSED ADDING REMAIN THE SAME.
THE TWO TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT POSITIONS WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN ARP ESSER, WHICH IS EXPIRING AT THE END OF THIS SUMMER, CONTINUE TO FORWARD NORTH CAROLINA HIGH SCHOOL ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL POSITION, WHICH WE WERE PAYING FOR OUT OF MARYLAND LEEDS.
WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT HAVING THAT MAINTAINED WITH US.
AND THIS DOES INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT WE AGREED TO IN OUR NEGOTIATED AGREEMENTS WITH OUR EMPLOYEE GROUPS.
>> THAT'S HUGE. I THINK THAT WHAT I'VE BEEN READING ABOUT EITHER ONLINE OR THE NEWSPAPER IS ACCURATE.
SOME OTHER DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THAT Y25 LOOKED SO LOW, AND THEY USED A FAIR AMOUNT OF THEIR GRANT MONEY TO PAY THE POSITION, THEY'D HAVE TO MAKE SOME GROSS CUTS, REALLY PAINFUL CUTS, STAFF CUTS.
SO THEY FUNDED A LOT OF POSITIONS FOR THE GRANT MONEY AND THEY EITHER HAVE TO
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COME UP WITH THE MONEY OR CUT THE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE CUTTING PEOPLE.SO CONGRATULATIONS HERE THAT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED, AND YOU'RE ABLE TO FIND ONE OF THE GRANT POSITIONS PRETTY ESSENTIAL. WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT IT.
>> YOU'VE KEPT US WELL-INFORMED, BUT DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE IT BEFORE WE SEND IT.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> NO. I'M JUST GLAD WE'RE IN THE SHAPE THAT WE'RE IN.
I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM LOTS OF CUTS.
>> YEAH. SO FAR SO GOOD, KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT WE MOVE IN WITH THIS BUDGET HERE.
>> FLY A PERFECT LITTLE DRONE, IT'S A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
>> AND WE'LL BE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY ON FY26.
I'D STOP AND THINK FOR A SECOND.
ALREADY WORKING ON NAVIGATING WHAT WE NEED TO ADVOCATE FOR WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR FY26 BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, KNOWING THE STATES GOING TO HAVE SOME HURDLES THEY HAVE TO FACE.
>> AND I THINK THAT PART OF OUR SUCCESS IN ACHIEVING THIS WAS THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SCHOOLS AND TALKING ABOUT IT WITH EACH GROUP OF PEOPLE SO THAT THEY HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR.
>> WE'RE NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BUY IN, I THINK IT MAKES A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
>> I'M GLAD I HAD THAT SUGGESTION FROM MY COLLEAGUE TWO YEARS AGO, AND HELPS IN BEING VERY TRANSPARENT AND DEMYSTIFYING THE BUDGET.
TRYING TO PUT IT WHERE WE NEEDED FOR BEST USE.
>> WHEN YOU WENT TO THE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, I KNOW THAT THE STAFF AND ALL WERE INVITED.
WAS COMMUNITY INVITED FOR THAT TOO?
>> COMMUNITY WAS NOT FOR THOSE, IT WAS JUST THAT.
AND THEN WE DID COMMUNITY PRESENTATIONS FOR THE SSIC AND CAC FOR THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL.
>> BECAUSE WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY AND AT LEAST THE OPPORTUNITY.
WHETHER OR NOT THEY COME IS UP TO THEM.
BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT AND BE A PART OF THE PLAN.
>> CERTAINLY. AND ESPECIALLY AS WE GO TO TRANSITION TO THE NEW FUNDING MECHANISMS IN BLUEPRINT.
>> THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FY25 BUDGET?
>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE FY25 BUDGET.
>> THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL DONE.
AND WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN ADJOURN THE OPEN SESSION AND THEN WE'LL MOVE IN CLOSED SESSION SHORTLY.
ACTUALLY WE DON'T. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO CLOSED SESSION.
>> SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN OUR OPEN SESSION AND MOVE INTO A CLOSED SESSION FOR THE REASONS TO DISCUSS THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, AND MOTION DISCIPLINE, PROMOTION, COMPENSATION, REMOVAL, RECOGNITION, PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF OR OFFICIALS, PUBLIC BODY HAS JURISDICTION.
ANY OTHER PLACEMENT MATTERS, EXCEPT ONE OR MORE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS.
>> THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.
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