[1. Opening Items]
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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
VERY GOOD. WE HAVE THIS REALLY LONG AGENDA TONIGHT, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE STAFF WANTS US TO GO ON A REALLY LONG TIME SO THAT THEIR BREAK STARTS LATER THAN THEY MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE ANTICIPATED.
AND IF I KEEP TALKING, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET HIT BY SOMETHING.
[LAUGHTER] DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SO MOVED. SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? THAT MEANS WE CAN START WITH OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS.
[2.01 MLL Update]
MLL UPDATE.WE ORIGINALLY HAD ON OUR SCHEDULE FOR TONIGHT WAS AN UPDATE FOR OUR MULTILINGUAL LEARNERS.
SO MRS. CHRISTAL HARKOWA IS HERE WITH MRS. SHAWL AS WELL. AND THEY WILL WALK THROUGH AN UPDATE FOR OUR MULTILINGUAL LEARNERS.
MICHELLE YOU'RE HAPPY TO JOIN THE TABLE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
GLADLY CAN. YOU DECIDED TO COME OUT ON WHEN YOU COULD BE AT HOME ON BREAK AND ARE HERE.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF SOME FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS TO DISCUSS.
YEAH, NOT ONLY RIGHT BEFORE BREAK, BUT A MISERABLE NIGHT.
VERY MUCH. SO WE'D RATHER BE HERE.
WELL PLAYED. AND SHE SAYS IT SINCERELY.
I SAID, WE LOVE TALKING ABOUT OUR MLL STUDENTS.
CERTAINLY. SO, HARKOWA IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY.
GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT BARTON.
DR. SIMMONS AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THEIR FAMILY USES A PRIMARY LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH IN THE HOME, AND THEIR ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY FALLS WITHIN THE RANGE ESTABLISHED BY OUR STATE ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY GUIDE, WHICH IS OUR WAY TO ACCESS ASSESSMENT.
AND ONCE A STUDENT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, WE USE THE HOME LANGUAGE SURVEY.
SO WE PROVIDE THE WIDA SCREENER AND THE KINDERGARTEN SCREENER, WHICH WILL SCREEN THE STUDENTS TO SEE WHERE THEIR ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY FALLS AND IF IT IS WITHIN THAT RANGE OF A 1.0, WHICH IS OUR BEGINNING LEVEL TO A 4.5, WHICH IS THE EXIT CRITERIA.
IF IT'S BELOW THE 4.5, THEN THEY FALL INTO THE MLL PROGRAM.
WHAT DOES WIDA DO? IT'S THE WIDA CONSORTIUM THAT GIVES US OUR ANNUAL DATA ASSESSMENT.
SO THEY JUST COMBINED THE LETTERS FROM EACH STATE.
THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW STUDENTS WHO ARE BORN HERE.
RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO NUMBERS, BUT THIS IS I CAME INTO THIS POSITION DURING THE 2019-20 SCHOOL YEAR.
SO THIS IS MY FIFTH YEAR, BUT I HAVE THE DATA FROM THE PREVIOUS SUPERVISOR.
SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO START WITH 2018-19.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME FROM 2018-19 TO THE PRESENT SCHOOL YEAR, WE HAVE GONE FROM 432 STUDENTS TO 546.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS RUNNING NUMBERS.
I USUALLY CHECK OUR NUMBERS EVERY WEEK BECAUSE LITERALLY WE CAN FLUCTUATE BY A FEW STUDENTS WITHDRAWING, OR WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS.
AND AS AN EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A LOT OF SPREADSHEETS TRACKING DATA OF STUDENTS WHO ARE PENDING ENROLLMENT, WHO COULD POTENTIALLY BE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR SCREENER OUTCOME IS.
AND BASED ON OUR NUMBERS, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE 546 ON PAPER, BUT WE HAVE 12 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS
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THAT BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK SHOULD BE COMPLETELY THROUGH THE ENROLLMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS GOING TO BRING OUR NUMBERS UP TO 561 . I HAVE I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF WE DO NOT HIT 600 OR MORE BY THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, AND SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THIS YEAR I ALWAYS HIGHLIGHT GREENSBORO, LOCKERMAN AND NORTH CAROLINE ON THE CHART, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THREE SCHOOLS THAT HISTORICALLY HAVE THE MOST STUDENTS.BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, WE ARE SEEING GROWTH IN EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL.
COLONEL MIDDLE HAS BEEN A LITTLE FLAT.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE TWO POTENTIAL STUDENTS.
WE HAVE FOUR POTENTIAL AT DENTON ELEMENTARY, SO THEY ARE GOING TO GO FROM 16 TO 20.
FEDERALSBURG ELEMENTARY HAS A POTENTIAL STUDENT, SO THEY COULD BE UP BY ONE NEXT WEEK.
SO THEY WILL BE AT WELL, THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT 72.
THEY'LL BE AT 75 BECAUSE EVEN FROM THE TIME THAT I CREATED THIS FOR YOU GUYS LAST THURSDAY, WE HAVE GONE OUR NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP BY THREE ALREADY THIS WEEK.
SO THAT JUST SHOWS THE FLUCTUATION.
ARE THESE BRAND NEW SPACES OR ARE THE? IT'S A COMBINATION. COMBINATION.
YEAH. SO WE HAVE SOME THAT TRANSFER FROM TALBOT COUNTY.
WE HAVE A HIGH SCHOOLER THAT CAME FROM TALBOT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT WILL COME IN FROM QUEEN ANNE'S.
WE'VE HAD STUDENTS COME FROM ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS THAT ARE STILL COMING IN THAT ARE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER INTERRUPTED EDUCATION OUR [INAUDIBLE] STUDENTS OR STUDENTS THAT ARE NEWCOMERS, WHICH MEANS THEY ARE NEW TO THE US AND THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE, IF NO, ENGLISH PROFICIENCY.
DO YOU YOU SEE AN INFLUX AFTER THE HOLIDAYS OR.
YES. SO I ACTUALLY JUST PRESENTED AND REVIEWED INFORMATION AT THE ENROLLMENT SECRETARY MEETING FOR THE ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY SECRETARIES YESTERDAY.
AND I HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT IS A GUIDE FOR THEM THAT SHARES WHAT THE SCHOOL YEAR IS LIKE AND THE COUNTRIES THAT MOST OF OUR STUDENTS ARE COMING FROM.
AND I'M STILL A MEMBER OF MAFSA WHICH IS A GROUP THAT WHEN YOU WERE DIRECTOR OF STUDENT SERVICES AND I CAME INTO THIS POSITION [INAUDIBLE] WHO WAS MY CONTACT AT MSDE, SHE WE WERE SEEING A LOT OF STUDENTS COMING IN, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETWEEN THE 2019, 20, AND 2021 SCHOOL YEAR.
AND WE HAD STUDENTS COMING WITH TRANSCRIPTS.
AND SO I REACHED OUT TO MSDE AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT STUDENTS ARE EARNING CREDIT BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE ATTENDED IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES.
SO DEREK AND I AND ONE OF THE NORTH CAROLINE COUNSELORS WENT TO THE FIRST MEETING.
IT WAS HELD IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AND NOW THEY HAVE BEEN HOLDING THEM VIRTUALLY SINCE COVID, WHICH HAS BEEN NICE BECAUSE IT IS THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ATTEND THE MEETINGS. SO IT HAS REALLY OPENED UP OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COLLABORATE AND SHARE INFORMATION.
AND THE GRADING HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL GETTING ACCESS TO THAT.
YES. AND IT HAS HELPED US BECAUSE PRIOR TO THAT, WE REALLY COULDN'T GIVE CREDITS TO STUDENTS.
EVERYBODY CAME IN AS A NINTH GRADER.
BRAND NEW FRESHMAN. WHICH KILLS US ON THE INDICATORS THAT WERE SCORED ON.
SO NOW THE TRANSCRIPTS COME THROUGH AND I'M ABLE I'VE BEEN TRAINED TO READ THE TRANSCRIPTS, AND I HAVE CONTACTS SO THAT IF THERE IS A QUESTION THEN I CAN REACH OUT TO THEM.
IT'S ALSO BEEN HELPFUL BECAUSE WE SOMETIMES HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH IMMIGRATION, AND IMMIGRATION REQUIRES IF THEY'RE UNDER 18, THEY HAVE TO ENROLL IN SCHOOL.
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ALREADY HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA.DO ANY OF THOSE STUDENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A DEGREE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, DO THEY WANT TO COME TO SCHOOL HERE? SOME OF THEM DO BECAUSE THEY VALUE AN AMERICAN EDUCATION, AND THEY WANT A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA FROM A US SCHOOL.
AND WE'LL TAKE THEM. WE CAN'T IF THEY ALREADY HAVE EVEN TRUE IF THEY WISH TO EARN A GED.
SAME CORRECT. AND SO WE DO THEN GUIDE THEM TO WHAT WE HAVE CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE OR SALISBURY.
SO CHESAPEAKE IS A GREAT PARTNER.
YES. SO WHAT PREVENTS SOMEBODY WHO HAS THAT DEGREE CLAIMING THAT THEY DON'T.
[LAUGHTER] SOMETIMES. AND I CAN THINK OF AN INSTANCE WHEN I WAS PRINCIPAL THAT WE FOUND OUT THAT A STUDENT HAD FORGED DOCUMENTS.
SO AS SOON AS WE FIND OUT, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS PRIOR TO THIS ORGANIZATION THAT WE BECAME PART OF.
SO I CAN TAKE MY CELL PHONE AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, HOLD MY PHONE OVER IT, PULL THE QR UP, AND IT WILL PULL THAT FILE FROM THE STUDENTS RECORDS IN GUATEMALA.
AND THEN YOU'LL GET A LOT OF ADVERTISEMENTS ON YOUR EMAIL MESSAGING.
[LAUGHTER] YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE FOR TRIPS TO SOUTH AMERICA.
RIGHT? SO DO WE HAVE THAT QR CODE ON OUR TRANSCRIPTS? THAT IS NOT A MARYLAND PRACTICE ON TRANSCRIPTS YET.
YEAH, YEAH, I HAVE LEARNED A LOT OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
I KNOW TORY ALWAYS SAYS, WHERE DO YOU STORE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION? WELL, THE THING THAT JUMPS OUT ON THIS CHART SO OBVIOUS, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S COMING FOR NORTH CAROLINE.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S COMING FOR LOCKERMAN AND NORTH CAROLINE HIGH BY GREENSBORO.
AND THE POINT I'LL CONNECT TO ON THAT, RICK, WITHOUT BELABORING IT.
BUT WHAT THIS KICKS INTO FROM A FACILITY STANDPOINT WHEN WE BRING THE PROJECTIONS TO YOU, THOSE ARE BASED OFF OF BIRTH RATES, DEATH RATES, MOBILITY RATES.
THOSE ARE NOT FACTORING IN ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS, PUSH PULL FACTORS OF IMMIGRATION.
IT DOESN'T GET THAT COMPLEX IN THE CALCULATIONS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.
YEAH. WELL AND PLUS THOSE NUMBERS.
IF THEY WEREN'T HERE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH.
IF THEY. SO SEPTEMBER 30TH IS ALL STUDENTS OR SORRY ML STUDENTS IS OCTOBER 30TH OCTOBER TYPICALLY YOUR SPECIAL POPULATIONS IS A MONTH LATER FOR THAT GRAPH.
SO THAT'LL FACTOR IN INTO THERE.
BUT THESE 12. BUT THAT'S FOR NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY ALWAYS A YEAR IN ARREARS IN FUNDING.
BUT ANYBODY WHO'S COME SO THE NUMBER CHRISTAL HAD ME SIGN IT TODAY.
YES. THE OFFICIAL OCTOBER 30TH NUMBER IS ACTUALLY 544.
SO WHAT WE FUNDED ON NEXT YEAR IS 544.
WE'VE ALREADY ADDED TWO FROM LAST WEEK, THREE SINCE THIS WAS DONE.
AND WE HAVE 12 IN THE PIPELINE.
SO THAT'S WE'RE ALREADY UP ALMOST 20 KIDS THAT WILL NOT BE FUNDED IN THE BLUEPRINT CALCULATION FOR AN ML STUDENT, IT'S ABOUT $16,000 PER KID ALLOTMENT IN BLUEPRINT FUNDING PER KID THAT WE WON'T HAVE FACTORED IN FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND SOME OF THESE STUDENTS WILL HAVE LIKE KIND OF GRADUATED OUT OF MLL.
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CORRECT AND THAT IS OUR GOAL.RIGHT? YES, THAT IS OUR GOAL, OUR ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROFICIENCY WE ARE EXPECTED WITHIN SIX YEARS TO EXIT STUDENTS WITH THAT 4.5.
AND IT HAS BEEN CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS BECAUSE WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT IF LIKE A GREENSBORO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT COME IN, IN KINDERGARTEN AND IF THEY DO NOT EXIT BEFORE FIFTH GRADE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY GO ON TO LOCKERMAN AND THEY GO ON TO NORTH CAROLINE, AND THEY BECOME WHAT ARE CALLED LONG TERM LS.
AND THOSE ARE STUDENTS THAT THEY HIT A CERTAIN POINT AND IT GETS A LOT HARDER TO MOVE THEM.
AND IF YOU ALSO THINK ABOUT AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL, WE'RE TEACHING STUDENTS HOW TO READ.
BUT WHEN WE MOVE ON TO MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL, WE'RE READING FOR CONTENT.
AND SO WE NEED A LOT OF DIFFERENT KIND OF SUPPORTS AT THE MIDDLE AND THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THE NINE I SEE NINE YES. IS THAT NEW? IT FLUCTUATES.
YOU SAID NINTH GRADE, RIGHT? YES. NINTH GRADE WE HAVE BEEN HAVING MORE STUDENTS COMING IN THAT THEY ARE FIRST TIME NINTH GRADERS AS MLL STUDENTS. SO THAT IS PART OF THE REASON THAT THAT NUMBER IS INCREASING.
AND I WANTED TO JUST ADD SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I DON'T THINK WHEN I LOOKED BACK AT MY OTHER PRESENTATIONS, BECAUSE I ALWAYS TRY TO BRING NEW INFORMATION TO THE TABLE FOR YOU GUYS, I WANTED TO JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION WHAT DRIVES DECISION MAKING WITH OUR MULTILINGUAL LEARNERS.
TITLE THREE OF THE EVERY STUDENT SUCCEEDS ACT OF 2015, ALSO KNOWN AS ESSA.
WE ALSO HAVE THE OFFICE OF CIVIL RIGHTS, OCR AND THEN THE US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE STATE REGULATIONS.
THE SECOND ONE OUTLINES EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH OUR PROGRAMING, FROM IDENTIFICATION TO THE MONITORING THAT TAKES PLACE BY MSDE TO SELECTING OUR CURRICULUM, OUR CERTIFIED TEACHERS.
LET'S SEE, THERE IS A LONG LIST.
OUR WIDA STANDARDS ARE PART OF THAT BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TEACHERS DO HAVE WIDA STANDARDS IN THE FOUR MAIN CONTENT AREAS ELA, MATH, SCIENCE, SOCIAL STUDIES AND IT ALSO GOVERNS OUR WIDA ASSESSMENT THAT STUDENTS HAVE TO TAKE.
THE TITLE THREE MONITORING VISIT SCHEDULE IS A THREE YEAR CYCLE.
OURS WAS LAST YEAR AND WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENDATIONS.
[INAUDIBLE] WHO I MENTIONED BEFORE, COMES SHE REVIEWS OUR FILES JUST LIKE SPECIAL ED.
I ALWAYS REFER TO THAT AS THE HOUSE.
IT'S THE SIX INDICATORS THAT WE GET OUR STAR RATINGS ON.
WE HAVE MSDE COMPREHENSIVE AUDITS FOR FINANCIAL AND COMPLIANCE.
WE ALSO DO OUR OWN INTERNAL AUDITS THAT HELP US PREPARE FOR THE MSDE AUDITS.
THIS IS FROM NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
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THE WORKGROUP STARTED IN 2021 AND IT'S PART OF THE BLUEPRINT.AND SO AS YOU HEAR US OVER THE NEXT 20.
WHAT IS IT 2025 2027 THAT THE BLUEPRINT GOES TO SOME OF THE MANDATES THAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN PLACE A RE COMING FROM THIS BLUEPRINT, THE WORKGROUP FOR ENGLISH LEARNERS.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PUSH TO SHIFT FROM ENGLISH LEARNERS TO MLL CAME FROM.
SO JUST SO YOU GUYS CAN READ THROUGH AND BE UPDATED ON WHAT'S COMING AND WHY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING AND THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE, WE'RE MAKING, THEY'RE BASED ON THE BLUEPRINT.
I DO WANT TO ASK CHRISTAL IF MOVING TO THE SORRY MS. HARKOWA IF MOVING TO THE SNAPSHOTS AND YOU'RE FINE [INAUDIBLE].
WE ALL DO. OUR FAIR SHOT OF BEATING UP ON MSDE, RIGHT? I, AS WELL AS OTHERS.
ELAINE AT MSDE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.
WONDERFUL. AND HELPFUL TO CAROLINE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
I WAS IN STUDENT SERVICES WHEN SHE STARTED.
YES, IT IS NOT ABOUT LOOKING FOR GOTCHAS ON COMPLIANCE PAPERWORK.
IT IS LET'S REALLY TALK ABOUT MOVING THINGS FOR EVERY KID WHO'S AN ML KID OR EL KID.
SO I JUST I DO MY FAIR SHOT OF BEATING UP MSDE, BUT SHE REALLY HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF OUR COUNTY.
AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID, AND I DON'T THINK I SHARED THIS WITH YOU, EVEN WHEN SHE CAME FOR OUR MONITORING VISIT LAST YEAR, WE TOOK HER TO KATHY ELLEN'S CLASSROOM AT PRESTON ELEMENTARY AND THE KIDS, KATHY KNEW WE WERE COMING, AND [INAUDIBLE] WAS WONDERFUL TO TAKE THE TIME TO TALK TO THE KIDS, AND SHE LET THE KIDS ASK HER QUESTIONS, AND IT WAS A VERY NEAT EXPERIENCE FOR TORY AND I TO SEE THE KIDS INTERACTING WITH HER, AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HER NATIVE COUNTRY.
SO WE SAW HER AT THE [INAUDIBLE] CONFERENCE, I BELIEVE IT WAS, AND [INAUDIBLE] SENT ME BACK WITH SNACKS FROM HER HOME COUNTRY FOR THE KIDS AND PENCILS.
AND SHE WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, SHE REMEMBERED THAT CLASSROOM AND THOSE KIDS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE TYPE OF PERSON SHE IS.
AND NOT EVERYBODY IS LIKE THAT.
BUT SHE IS A VERY GENUINE PERSON AND SHE IS FROM SOUTH KOREA I WANT TO SAY. YEAH.
SO REAL QUICK. THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THAT WE STARTED THIS YEAR.
IT'S WHENEVER WE HAVE SHOUT OUTS.
I HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT I'LL BE SENDING OUT THIS WEEK.
EVERYBODY WILL BE GUESSING YOUR PASSWORD.
YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS. OH, NO.
WELL, SOME OF SO SOME OF WHAT IS ON THE SHOUT OUT, IT IS A JUST LIKE A FLIER THAT TORY AND HEATHER MONTGOMERY, WHO IS OUR SECONDARY ML COORDINATOR AND MYSELF, PUT TOGETHER BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND EVENTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AT THE SCHOOLS.
AND WE KNOW THAT THIS YEAR WE HAVE, BECAUSE OF BLUEPRINT, YOU KNOW, WE SOMETIMES HAVE GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABLE ON THINGS AND LOOKING AT WHAT WE DO AND TALKING A LOT ABOUT DATA.
SO WE WANTED TO GIVE OUR TEACHERS SHOUT OUTS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE BUSTING THEIR BEHINDS EVERY DAY AND GIVING OUR KIDS AND THEIR FAMILIES THE BEST OF THEMSELVES.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT DOING SHOUT OUTS AS WE VISIT THE SCHOOLS AND THINGS AND SHARING THEM WITH ALL OF THE TEACHERS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT PRESTON OR FEDERALSBURG OR NORTH CAROLINE UNLESS THEY'RE THERE.
SO EVERYBODY GETS THE SHOUT OUTS.
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SO THAT WAY EVERYBODY IS SEEING WHAT IS GOING ON.AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, I DID PULL THIS FROM THE SHOUT OUT THAT RACHEL WASN'T ABLE TO OPEN.
SO PRESTON DID AN ACADEMIC NIGHT IN SEPTEMBER AND DAY OF THE DEAD AT PRESTON ELEMENTARY IN OCTOBER.
AND SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE PICTURES TO HIGHLIGHT.
AND IT WAS SHARED, LIKE I SAID IN THE SHOUT OUT THAT SHE WASN'T ABLE TO OPEN UP.
BUT WE JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND IT'S NICE FOR THE TEACHERS TO GET THE SHOUT OUT, BUT ALSO FOR THE OTHER TEACHERS TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
AND THEN LAST WEEK THIS WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE.
ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO DECREASE OUR CHRONIC ABSENTEEISM AMONG OUR STUDENTS, PARTICULARLY AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL. AND SO GREENSBORO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, LOCKERMAN MIDDLE, AND NORTH CAROLINE HOSTED AND COORDINATED AN MLL COMMUNITY NIGHT.
[LAUGHTER] SHE AND COLLIN MILLER HAD 80, ABOUT 80 KIDS, ABOUT 20.
WOW. SO FAMILIES WERE ABLE TO GO.
THEY HAD PIZZA AND TALKED ABOUT THE ACADEMIC PIECE, BUT ALSO ATTENDANCE.
AND EACH PRINCIPAL HIGHLIGHTED THINGS THAT THEY FELT THAT THE FAMILIES NEEDED TO KNOW.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE KIDS HAD A GREAT TIME.
SO WE ARE ON A ROLL WITH OUR PARENT ENGAGEMENT AND TRYING TO REACH OUT TO OUR FAMILIES.
TO DO THE JOINT NIGHT IN A LOCATION THAT'S MORE CONVENIENT FOR THE FAMILIES WAS INCREDIBLE, AND I HEARD GREAT FEEDBACK FROM EVEN THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT PULLING TOGETHER. AND THEN IT WAS ALSO PART OF LIKE, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
YES. BECAUSE IT REALLY JUST MADE SENSE AND WORKED OUT WELL.
SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR LEADING THAT EFFORT AS WELL.
YOU HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE IN.
I'M SURE SOME OF THOSE FAMILIES HAVE STUDENTS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.
YES. SO THE PARENTS DON'T HAVE TO PICK OR CHOOSE OR JUST GO TO ONE NIGHT.
THEY, YOU KNOW, OR GO TO THREE NIGHTS.
NORTH CAROLINE WANTED TO, THEY STARTED THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE PART OF THE SCHOOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS FOCUSING ON DECREASING THE CHRONICALLY ABSENTEEISM AMONG OUR MLLS.
AND SO WHEN THE PRINCIPALS WERE TALKING, THEY REALIZED THAT WAS A COMMON DENOMINATOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, AMONG THE SCHOOLS.
REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT PROGRESS.
THANK YOU. THOSE NUMBERS ARE EYE OPENING.
IT IS ONE THAT AS WE GO INTO BUDGET SEASON THERE ARE IMPACTS.
HOWEVER, WE'VE ALSO AND MS. HARKOWA AND I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION AS WELL AS DR.
THEY REALLY DON'T. SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO SUPPORT ALL TEACHERS IN SCHOOLS WHERE THE EL POPULATIONS ARE GROWING RAPIDLY, TO CREATE THE LANGUAGE RICH ENVIRONMENTS THAT SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF ALL STUDENTS.
JUST IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY SO WE DON'T BURN OUT OUR EL TEACHERS OR HR, ROB'S ALREADY LEFT OR HR WAS TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE THAT DON'T EXIST.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT BETTER WAYS TO SUPPORT BUT THEY'RE DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB.
AND I WILL PUBLICLY JUST SAY I APPRECIATE THE BOARD SUPPORT LAST YEAR WHEN WE ADDED THE COORDINATOR POSITIONS IN EL OR ML IT HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY A GODSEND IN SUPPORTING THE SCHOOLS.
YES. HOW MANY LANGUAGES DO WE HAVE WITH MLL STUDENTS? LIKE, IF YOU GO LIKE TO SALISBURY, WHAT THEY HAVE LIKE 40 OR 50 RIGHT. WE'RE LUCKY IN THAT.
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YES. BUT WE ARE SEEING, I WOULD SAY THAT WE STILL HAVE YOU KNOW IT IS OUR URDU, HAITIAN CREOLE, SPANISH. WE HAVE SOME MANDARIN CHINESE, BUT WE ARE SEEING SOME VARIATION.WE HAVE STUDENTS ON THE SOUTHERN END THAT ARE MOVING FROM BRAZIL.
YES. SO I WOULD SAY WE HAVE ABOUT TEN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK ON THE REPORT THAT CHERYL, I HAD TO SIGN AS WELL, BECAUSE IT HAS ALL OF THE LANGUAGES ARE BROKEN DOWN BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT MSDE COLLECTS INFORMATION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID YOU WERE EXPECTING 20 AT THAT ONE AND YOU'VE GOT 80.
[LAUGHTER] YES, YES. WE WERE VERY THRILLED.
RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT SAYS A LOT.
YEAH. THAT YOU'VE GOT THEM COMING.
RIGHT. IT'S A VERY GOOD THING.
AND WE WANT OUR FAMILIES TO BE PART OF OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITY.
YES. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
SIMMONS SAID. YOU'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY, IT'S NOT A NEW THING.
IT'S JUST A NEW APPROACH, IF YOU WILL.
IF YOU LOOK OVER DECADES, 100 YEARS AGO, EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS AND MULTIPLE LANGUAGES, THEY WERE BRINGING IN CULTURES AND, YOU KNOW, ELLIS ISLAND AND THAT WHOLE STORY, IT JUST WAS DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY.
AND MAYBE IT WAS DEALT WITH BETTER, I DOUBT IT.
[LAUGHTER] I MEAN, THIS IS A MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL AND INVITING APPROACH.
AND BACK THEN IT WAS ALMOST LIKE PLACING A FOOT INTO A SHOE THAT DOESN'T FIT.
AND NOW IT'S A MUCH, MUCH BETTER APPROACH.
ALTHOUGH MAYBE IF SOMEBODY TIME TRAVELED BACK, THEN THEY'D SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE DID THIS AND THIS.
I DON'T KNOW, THE HISTORY BOOKS DON'T SAY THAT, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY A LESSON TO LOOK AT BACK THEN THAT WHAT IF THEY HAD DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY? AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE THEORY IN HISTORY THAT WHAT ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN THE VARIOUS EUROPEAN CULTURES ASSIMILATING INTO THIS COUNTRY WAS WORLD WAR ONE AND WORLD WAR TWO, BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE RECRUITS THAT WENT INTO THE SERVICE BROUGHT THOSE BACKGROUNDS WITH THEM, AND THEY HAD TO FORM INTO ONE NETWORK.
WE SURE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE WHAT CARRIES US THROUGH THIS TIME.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO GET BETTER AND AND KEEP MAKING THAT PROGRESS.
YOU'VE SEEN ALL THIS PROGRESS.
YOU KNOW YOUR PROGRESS IS DOING THIS.
IT'S GOING TO KEEP DOING THAT.
AND MEANWHILE THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING SO GOOD THING.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING GREAT WORK GREAT REPORT.
APPRECIATE IT. AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
THANK YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE ALONG.
ON TO THE VERY EXCITING TOPIC.
[2.02 Future Capital Projects Update]
SO OUR. FUTURE OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO STAY OR NOT.
YEAH. NO COOKIES, NO APPLE PIE.
THANK YOU. HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
THANK YOU GUYS. HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING.
WHEN I FIRST MOVED INTO THE POSITION OF INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT, ACTUALLY WITHIN OUR FIRST PROBABLY MONTH IN THE ROLE MR. MENGELE OR ACTUALLY WASN'T MR. MINGLE WASN'T HERE YET, I HAD THE DISTINCT PLEASURE WITH MRS. THORNTON OF WALKING OVER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE TO DELIVER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE PROJECTS WE HAD SLATED, AND IT WAS PRETTY MADE PRETTY CLEAR TO ME BY THOSE THERE THEN THAT THEY EXPECTED TO SEE A LOT OF ROOFING PROJECTS COMING IN THE CIPS FOR YEARS TO COME, BECAUSE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH GREENSBORO WERE JUST WERE REAL.
AND WE HAD HEARD THAT FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL.
BUT THAT, LOOK, THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF OUR BUDGET FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO RECOUP.
AND LO AND BEHOLD, WE HAD A ROOFING NEEDS SO WE COULD KIND OF MEET THAT THAT PIECE.
WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, I WOULD SAY THERE'S BEEN A SHIFT IN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AND WORKING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. AND IN OCTOBER, I THINK, OR MAYBE IT WAS LATE SEPTEMBER, MR. BARTON AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, ALONG WITH MR.
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MENGEL, TO MEET WITH COMMISSION PRESIDENT TRAVIS GREENE AND WITH DANNY FOX, WHO AT THAT POINT WAS DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.NOW HE'S THE ASSISTANT COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO TALK ABOUT, REALLY, WHAT IS THEIR ABILITY TO HELP US WITH BUILDING COSTS WITH LARGE SCALE RENOVATION COSTS? WHEN CAN THEY ACTUALLY TAKE ON THE NEXT PROJECT? BECAUSE YES, WE'RE GETTING ROOFS DONE, BUT WE HAVE FOUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE SITTING AT 40 YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY YOUNGER.
BUT WE NEEDED TO KNOW WHEN THEY CAN TRULY TAKE ON THE COST OF A NEW RENOVATION PROJECT, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN START OUR PLANNING TO KNOW WHICH IS GOING TO BE FIRST, WHAT COMES BEHIND IT, WHAT COMES BEHIND IT.
BECAUSE MR. MENGEL HAS A CIP PROCESS THAT HE HAS TO HAVE THIS TIMED OUT ON, BUT WE NEED TO GET IT IN THE PIPELINE TO START TALKING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE ALSO, IT TAKES A GOOD THREE YEARS TO QUEUE UP THE PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO START.
SO THAT WAS THE PREMISE FOR US MEETING.
AND TO BE HONEST, IT WAS THE COMMISSIONERS IN CONVERSATION SEPARATELY OF I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS ON AS EARLY AS FY 28, MEANING A LARGE SCALE RENOVATION PROJECT, WHICH IS EXCITING.
IT GIVES US TIME TO SET THAT COURSE.
HOWEVER, WE AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE ACTUAL BUILDING RENOVATION NEEDS AND TRYING TO PRIORITIZE WHAT BUILDING SHOULD BE FIRST. SO IT'S MY HOPE THAT TONIGHT, AFTER WE KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE STATUS OF ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE 40 PLUS YEARS OLD.
ONCE YOU'RE 40 YEARS OLD, WE QUALIFY FOR MAXIMUM STATE FUNDING, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, RIGHT NOW CAROLINE COUNTY IS IN THE CATBIRD SEAT. I WOULD SAY THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WE ARE SITTING IN A 94% IS THE STATE AND 6% IS THE LOCAL.
WHEN WE BUILT GREENSBORO 8812 IT WAS 8812.
SO HAD WE BUILT GREENSBORO RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD COST THE COUNTY HALF OF WHAT IT COST THEM.
BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SHARE IS SET UP.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER FY 25, BUT IT'S A THEY SET THE COST SHARES EVERY TWO YEARS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE SITTING IN A GOOD SPOT.
WHAT WAS THE FIGURE ON GREENSBORO? GREENSBORO WAS 50.
TOTAL COST 50 SOMETHING MILLION.
46 ON PAPER, WITH ALL THINGS ADDED TO IT YEAH. I BELIEVE THE COST TO THE COUNTY WAS A BOND OF PROBABLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 17.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, BUT THE LONGER WE HOLD OFF, IT'S GOING TO GET THERE.
THAT'S WHY 40 YEARS IS IMPORTANT.
BUT LIKE WHEN WE JUST DID THE NEW ROOF ON NORTH CAROLINE.
YES. DOES THAT SET THE CLOCK BACK TO ZERO? IT DOES ON THE ROOF.
SO ONCE WE GET TO THE SLIDES FOR EACH BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS.
AND I KID YOU NOT, IT TRULY IS ON WHEN A PART OF THE BUILDING IS 40.
SO WE'RE PUTTING A NEW ROOF ON PRESTON THIS SUMMER.
PRESTON RENOVATION WAS FINISHED IN LIKE 2017.
HALF THE BUILDING DIDN'T GET A NEW ROOF BECAUSE THE ROOF WASN'T OLD ENOUGH.
YES. THAT'S JUST. NOBODY SAID BUREAUCRACY MAKES SENSE.
NO, THAT IS THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE IT SET.
SO YEAH. SO FOR OUR CONVERSATION POINT TONIGHT AND I'M GOING TO HAVE BILL WALK US THROUGH THIS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FOUR BUILDINGS THAT QUALIFY AS BEING 40 YEARS OLD OR MOST OF ITS OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS 40 YEARS OLD.
MOST OF IT IS, AND IT MAKES SENSE TO CONSIDER IT FOR RENOVATION.
WE ADDED A FIFTH SLIDE AT THE VERY END FOR A BUILDING THAT'S NOT OLD ENOUGH FOR A FULL RENOVATION, AND OUR BOARD HAS ALL BEEN THROUGH THE BUILDING, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF US HAVING THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT ABOUT THE BUILDING, BECAUSE IT WON'T BE PART OF WE'RE ANOTHER 20 YEARS AWAY FROM A FULL RENOVATION OF THAT BUILDING, AND THAT'S FEDERALSBURG.
FEDERALSBURG RENOVATION WAS FINISHED ABOUT JUST ABOUT THE SAME TIME NORTH CAROLINE HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY'RE BOTH CONSIDERED, I THINK, A 2001 OR 2000 BUILT BUILDING.
I WALKED THE BUILDING WHEN MR. BREEDING WAS COMMISSIONER BREEDING AND WE WALKED THROUGH.
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VERY WELL COULD BE WILLING TO TAKE ON AT A DIFFERENT COST SHARE, BECAUSE THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE MORE TO HELP WITH INTERNAL RENOVATIONS OF THE HALLWAYS AND THE RESTROOMS AT FEDERALSBURG.IT'S STILL PRETTY MUCH THE 1950S IN THOSE PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ALL OF BILL'S STUFF BILL WILL WALK THROUGH.
NOT NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER THREE OR NUMBER FOUR, BUT WHAT THE NUMBER ONE BUILDING NEED IS THAT WE CAN START OUR PROCESS, NOT WHERE IT'S GOING, NOT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. JUST WHICH SCHOOL DO WE FEEL NEEDS THE ATTENTION THE MOST? ALL THAT WILL COME AFTER WE DO STATE STUDIES.
BUT TO START THAT OTHER PIECE TONIGHT.
YEAH OKAY. THIS 946 IS THE CURRENT COST.
YES. SO IF WE COMMIT NOW WE LOCK IN THAT.
IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH TO ASK WHEN YOU GUYS GET A LOAN. YEAH.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOCK THE RATE IN UNTIL WE'RE READY TO ACTUALLY SHOVEL IN GROUND.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE RATE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY START IT.
YOU WOULD HOPE. YEAH, WE WOULD.
BUT I MEAN LIKE WHEN YOU START IT THAT'S WHAT YES. THAT'S WHY WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE TO GET SOMETHING BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.
YEAH. IT'S GOING TO TAKE US AT THAT POINT.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE US THREE YEARS TO BE READY.
AND IF WE WANT TO BE READY BY FY 28, WE WILL BE DOING A FEASIBILITY STUDY NEXT YEAR, US WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO HAVE THAT DONE, TO QUEUE UP EVERYTHING WE NEED STATE TO KNOW TO DO NEXT YEAR.
YOU MEAN? FY 25? OKAY. YEP, NOT CALENDAR, BUT FY 25 FISCAL YEAR TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE AT.
YEAH I'M TALKING IN FISCAL YEARS.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUMP INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND I'LL LET MR. MENGEL WALK THROUGH EACH BUILDING KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THE ROOFS TAKE [INAUDIBLE] FROM MR. BARTON. WITHOUT A ROOF YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING.
SOONER OR LATER. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU RESET THE TIME CLOCK.
IF WE WANT TO REBUILD THAT ELEMENTARY, I PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT.
OKAY, I HAVE TO GET AT LEAST 15 YEARS MINIMUM TO QUALIFY FOR A NEW ROOF FROM THE STATE.
BUT 20 IS IDEAL TO GET THE MAXIMUM ALLOTMENT.
OKAY, SO 15 TO 20 IS WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR.
IF IT DOESN'T QUALIFY, THEN THAT BURDEN GOES ON THE COUNTY AND THE LOCAL PORTION THAT THEY HAVE TO PICK UP THEIR PORTION, AS WELL AS THE COST OF WHATEVER THE SET ROOF IS AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
SO IT'S BEST FOR US TO TRY AND MAXIMIZE THAT.
AND THE SITUATION THAT I AM SEEING US IN RIGHT NOW THAT I TALK TO DR.
SIMMONS ABOUT, IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE 40 YEARS PLUS.
SO NOW THOSE SCHOOLS ARE ALL KIND OF COMING UP NOW FOR 45 YEAR PLUS AND THE [INAUDIBLE].
WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO GO BUILD 4 OR 5 SCHOOLS AT THE TIME.
MR. PLUTSCHAK, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT COSTS, I WOULD ESTIMATE SO I WOULD ESTIMATE PROBABLY 65 TO 75 MILLION IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS GOING TO CHANGE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS GOING UP.
YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK WE'RE AT 463.
FOR [INAUDBLE] PER SQUARE FOOT.
NOW. SO LET'S LET'S TALK, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WITH INFLATION WHERE WE LOCK IN THAT IT COULD BE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPECULATE TOO MUCH ON THAT.
DENTON ELEMENTARY 1976 BUILD, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY 70S.
CASH RELEASE FROM THE STATE AND TOOK FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT.
BUILT THIS IT IS 48 YEARS OLD.
WE DID DO A SMALL ADDITION BACK IN 95 WITH IT.
ITS CAPACITY IS AT 640 I'M SORRY.
OVER 87% OF THE CAPACITY RATING AS OF RIGHT NOW.
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THIS SCHOOL HAS OPEN AIR CLASSROOMS, WHICH MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE BEST THING AT THIS TIME IN THIS DAY AND AGE.IT'S A TOUGH THING TO DO TO TRY AND CLOSE UP THESE ROOMS, CLOSE UP THESE SPACES.
WE LOSE OUR RATING CAPACITY WHICH ULTIMATELY HINDERS OUR FUNDING, SO BE CAREFUL.
IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST PUT SOME WALLS UP AND AND MAKE IT ALL ALL ROSY.
IT DOESN'T QUITE WORK THAT WAY.
SO IF THIS WAS A BUILDING THAT WOULD NOT WE WOULD AGREE NOT TO LOOK AT MAYBE DOING A REBUILD.
THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY GO AND PUT A ROOF ON THIS.
SO WE CAN TAKE A ROOF NEXT YEAR.
THE. THE EDGING OF THE ROOF IS REALLY WHERE THE PASSAGEWAY IS.
SO WE HAVE TO DO A WHOLE PERIMETER PATCH AROUND THAT ROOF.
ARE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT TYPE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? IT'S EASIER TO GO AND GET IS CHEAPER.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO BUILD A BRAND NEW SCHOOL THAN THERE'S TO RENOVATE AND RETROFIT.
I KNOW AT THE TIME WE DID, COLONEL, THE TOTAL PRICE TAG ON COLONEL WAS CLOSE TO $25 MILLION.
BUT IF WE WOULD HAVE BUILT BRAND NEW, THE COST WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE TEENS.
YES, BUT FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE ONLY FOR RENO NOT FOR NEW BUILD.
WELL, PART OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS CODE HAS CHANGED.
YES. SO YOU CAN GRANDFATHER SOME THINGS IN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT IF YOU'RE REBUILDING YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING IT DIFFERENTLY.
RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
AND WHEN I GET TO THE FEDERALSBURG SLIDE, I'LL POINT THAT OUT EVEN FURTHER.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THERE TRYING TO MATCH UP THINGS EVEN STRUCTURALLY.
RIGHT. NOW YOU THINK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.
BUT SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF BUILDING NEW IS THAT THAT STUFF COMES CHEAPER.
YEAH. SO THEN IF WE LOOKED AT BUILDING A NEW DES, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE KEPT IT ON PROPERTY AND BUILD IT TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, ALONG PARKING LOTS AND THE FIELDS THAT WE BASICALLY FLIP FLOP THE FIELDS IN THE SCHOOLS OKAY.
SO DENTON IS THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
AS OF RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO ROOF ON IT.
SO THAT'S A GREEN LIGHT OPPORTUNITY.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. FEDERALSBURG AND RIDGELY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THIS PRESENTATION ALSO, BUT THEY HAVE NEW ROOFS ON THEM, SO IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT MORE TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL OF THAT NATURE.
BECAUSE LOCALLY WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF A NEW ROOF.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS WITH DENTON? OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE. RIDGELY.
RIDGELY. IS AT 86% CAPACITY SLOWLY BUILDING IN TERMS OF POPULATION AND ENROLLMENT, BUT KIND OF HOLDING STEADY. THIS WAS ACTUALLY OUT OF THE FOUR BUILDINGS THIS IS THE BEST ONE AND THE BEST SHAPE.
WE JUST PUT A ROOF ON THIS TWO YEARS AGO, AND I CAN [INAUDIBLE] MR. BARTON'S SAYING, WE DO HAVE A BUILDING NOW.
IT'S AMAZING THE POWER OF A NEW ROOF.
I WOULD SAY THAT 80% OF OUR PROBLEMS COME FROM ROOF FAILURES OF SOME SORT OR ANOTHER.
YOU PUT A NEW CAP ON IT AND YOU CAN START TO THE OTHER PROBLEMS. WE'RE NOT CHASING OUR TAILS [INAUDIBLE] PROBLEM.
LIKE I SAID RIDGELY IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE GIVEN IT'S AGE, 1978.
AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CASH GRAB SCHOOLS BACK IN THE 70S.
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RIGHT NOW. I THINK WHEN YOU MARRY THAT WITH THE GROUP OF 15 YEARS, THE 20 YEARS THAT COMES INTO PLAY.THE PART THAT WAS DONE IN 97 THAT WAS RENOVATED IS ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR 75% OF STATE FUNDING.
THAT 7745FT², THE ADDITION, THE CLASSROOMS IN 97 THAT WERE ADDED AS WELL.
THE ALMOST 12,000FT² IS ALSO ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR 75% OF STATE FUNDING.
SO WHILE THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 40.
ONLY THE PART THAT'S 40 IS ELIGIBLE FOR FULL.
THE REST OF IT IS PARTIAL FUNDING.
BUT THE ORIGINAL MEETS THE AGE REQUIREMENT.
SO WE WANTED TO ADD THAT ON THE SLIDE.
THE ORIGINAL PART DOES MEET THE.
I THINK IT'S THE LAST OF OUR SCHOOL GRABS BACK THEN.
1977 PART OF IT'S 47 YEARS OLD.
WE DID A RENO IN 93 AND IS 31 YEARS OLD.
SO WE ARE REALLY CLOSE TO THE 40 YEAR MAGIC LINE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CROSS.
THE BUILDING IS SEVERELY ANTIQUATED.
RUNNING THROUGH THOSE SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW THAT THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR AND NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
SEVERE TRAFFIC ISSUES AROUND THE BUILDING.
CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, YOU JUST CAN'T GET DOWN THAT ROAD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO BUSSES, CARS, THERE REALLY ISN'T A PLACE TO BUILD A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING.
YOU STILL WON'T SOLVE THE FLOW ISSUES.
FLOW ISSUE IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE.
THE PARKING ISSUE IS STILL THERE.
IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH PROPERTY IS WHERE THAT IS AT.
LOCKERMAN. SORRY. GO AHEAD DONNA. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHERE WOULD YOU. WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT THE COUNTY.
YEAH. SO THE WAY THE PROSPECT WORKS FOR THE STATE, IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE OR BUILD ON THE SAME PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THAT THEN, IN ESSENCE, PROVES WHY YOU CAN'T RENOVATE THAT SPACE OR BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE STATE HAS CRITERIA THAT THEY WOULD GO THROUGH TO HELP IDENTIFY EXISTING SPACES, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO WORK WITH THE COUNTY OF WHAT LAND DO YOU HAVE? WHAT LAND DO WE OWN OR DOES THE COUNTY OWN? THEY WOULD SAY, YOU CAN USE THIS.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF WHERE LOCKERMAN IS? THEY INITIALLY THEY LIKE YOU TO KEEP IT IN THE SAME VICINITY.
THERE'S NO SPOT IN THAT AREA OF THE TOWN THAT MEETS THAT QUALIFICATION.
BUT THE THOUGHT IS IT WOULD NEED TO STAY IN DENTON IN THE DENTON AREA, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO FIND THE BEST LOCATION FOR IT.
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE SEEING WITH LOCKERMAN, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, WE LOOKED AT MR. MENGEL, LOOKED AT TRYING TO DO A BATHROOM RENOVATION AT FEDERALSBURG WITH TWO BATHROOMS, AND WE PULLED THE PLUG WHEN THE PRICE HIT WELL BEYOND WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN AT LOCKERMAN AS WELL.
THE MINUTE WE LOOK TO UPGRADE THE BATHROOM FACILITIES AT LOCKERMAN, THEY HAVE TO BE TO 2023 CODE.
BASICALLY YOU LOSE TOILETS AND THEN WE CAN'T MEET THE NEED OF THE STUDENTS THAT ARE THERE.
THAT BECOMES A MAJOR POINT WITH LOCKERMAN THE LOCKERMAN RENO.
IT'S 100,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
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70% OF THE BUILDING QUALIFIES FOR 100% OF STATE FUNDING BECAUSE IT'S 47 YEARS OLD, 30% OF THE BUILDING IS 31 YEARS OLD.SO THE STATE WOULD CONTRIBUTE 85% OF WHAT THEY SHOULD.
THE COUNTY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR 15% OF THAT PLUS THEIR SIX.
YOU THROW ALL THAT IN A MIX, THEY'RE PROBABLY STILL COMING OUT AHEAD.
THE COUNTY WOULD BE THEN WHAT THE SPLIT WAS ON GREENSBORO.
BECAUSE THIS PART UNLIKE RIDGELY, THIS PART OF LOCKERMAN IS 30 YEARS, SO IT'S A SLIDING SCALE.
THE OLDER THE BUILDING GETS, THE CLOSER YOU GET TO 100%.
SO 30% OF THE BUILDING MEETS THAT OVER 30 YEAR MARK.
NOT QUITE AT 40, BUT IT IS THAT OLD.
SO IT HELPS YOU WITH SOME OF THAT MATCH.
SO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY I'M SORRY.
GO AHEAD. JUST TO GO BACK, RIDGELY ELEMENTARY, IF YOU REBUILT IT OR WHERE WOULD YOU DO THAT ONE? RIDGELY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE RENOVATED ON THE EXISTING BECAUSE MOST OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN ENCLOSED.
IT WOULD JUST BE CAN THEY ADD EXTRA WINGS LIKE THEY DID THE ONE TO ADD ON ONCE THEY CLOSE UP THE REMAINING OPEN CLASSROOMS? AND IF NOT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT BUILDING ELSEWHERE.
AND SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY, THE WHITE HOUSE PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED THREE YEARS AGO.
THAT'S NOW BEEN TAKEN CARE OF EVERY LEVEL IT'LL BE GREEN SPACE.
I MEAN, THERE'S AVENUES TO EXPAND THERE.
SO THAT WAS AN EASIER SOLUTION THAN LOCKERMAN.
DOES THAT BALLPARK BELONG TO LOCKERMAN ACROSS THE STREET? IT'S CAROLINE COUNTY [INAUDIBLE].
OH, OKAY. IT'S THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY, AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH PROPERTY.
YEAH. THERE'S ONLY ABOUT ONE PLACE I GOT IN MY MIND THAT FIGURED OUT.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE DOUBLE HILLS, SAME PROPERTY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS ON.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT WOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH.
NOT THEY'LL COME OUT AND THEY'LL LOOK AT THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THEY'LL ASCERTAIN, CAN WE? CAN WE ADD ON OR RENOVATE RETROFIT THINGS? IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEY'LL LOOK AT THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? THEY'LL LOOK AT ALL THAT AND LOOK THE VARIABLES OF THAT.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OFF SITES LOCATIONS.
AND THAT'S THE HAND [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. AND THEN WE HAD THE DECISION TO MAKE.
YEAH. WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY.
JUST A QUESTION. IF BY CHANCE LOCKERMAN WERE REBUILT OR RELOCATED TO A DIFFERENT SPOT, WOULD THE BOARD OF ED PROFIT IN ANY WAY FROM THAT BUILDING BEING USED, OR WOULD THAT BE SOLD BACK TO THE COUNTY? SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THIS.
SO IF WE WERE TO VACATE THE BUILDING, GOES BACK, GOES TO THE COUNTY, GOES TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, IF WE'RE NOT USING IT FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THEN FOR THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO UTILIZE OR TO SELL, BUT IT GOES TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, IT DOES NOT GO TO THE BOARD OF ED FOR US TO.
NO, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO USE IT AS OUR OWN PROPERTY TO DO SOMETHING AMAZING.
OR IT COULD BE WHERE THEY LOCATE SERVICES UTILIZE FOR OTHER REASONS.
BUT [INAUDIBLE] YEAH, BUT YEAH, THE PROPERTY, IF WE'RE NOT USING IT, IT GOES TO THEM FOR THEM.
IT COULD BE CLEARED AND TURNED INTO A PARK.
BUT THAT 85% IS THAT TODAY OR IS THAT.
THAT IS. 28. OH THE 85% THAT IS? THAT'S TODAY.
SO TECHNICALLY IT COULD, IT WOULD BE UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN 85.
OR WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN THAT 85 RANGE.
OKAY. BECAUSE THE 85 THEN HOLDS FROM YEARS 31 TO 39 OKAY.
CORRECT. CONSIDERING THE AGE OF THAT BUILDING, TO YOUR POINT, THE DEMOLITION OF IT WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN WHAT THE COUNTY'S GOT TO RECOGNIZE HERE, BECAUSE NO ONE I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY BUYING THAT BUILDING AND RETROFITTING IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE I F THE COUNTY WERE TO SELL IT.
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OPTIONS AND VARIABLES THERE.AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO SHARE THIS, THAT IF LOCKERMAN IS THE FEELING OF THE BOARD OF THAT ENDS UP AT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR US TO CONSIDER, I WOULD WANT US AS A SCHOOL SYSTEM TO BE MINDFUL OF AND RECOGNIZING WHAT IT MEANS IF WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT BUILDING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WHATEVER DESIGN IS CHOSEN, HOWEVER, ALL THAT PROCESS GOES THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE HONOR THE HISTORY OF THE LOCKERMAN SCHOOL IN WHATEVER IS DONE.
EASTON ELEMENTARY JUST DID THIS WITH THE MILTON BUILDING AND DID A, I THINK, A NICE JOB OF IT, OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY BUILT A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO HONOR THE PAST. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF, THAT THIS IS IF WE DO DECIDE TO, AND IT MEANS A NEW BUILDING THAT'S NOT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YEAH. AND THAT'S I REALLY FEEL WE NEED TO THAT COULD BE DONE ENCOMPASS THAT.
BUT IF THAT WERE THE SCHOOL, CAN THE NEW SCHOOL KEEP THE SAME NAME AS THE OLD SCHOOL.
ABSOLUTELY. IS THAT TRUE? ABSOLUTELY. THE BOARD NAMES THE SCHOOL.
YEAH, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT IS IT WOULD BE THE NEW LOCKERMAN.
RIGHT. OR MAYBE THE FULL NAME.
BUT YEAH, UNLESS YOU'RE MR. HIS FIRST NAME, SO I'M NOT SURE.
YEAH. COULD IT BE HIS FULL NAME FOR THE FOR THE BOARD.
THE BOARD DEFINITELY TO CONSIDER.
YEP. LIKE I SAID BUT NO, DEFINITELY.
BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF MY THOUGHT.
NOT REPLACING LOCKERMAN AND THINGS LIKE WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO THAT FAR BACK BEING DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF ED THEY WERE LOOKING AT BACK IN THE WEST DENTON DAYS FOR A NEW LOCKERMAN.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE WAS PRIOR TO THERE, MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN 12 YEARS AGO, PRIOR TO THE RECESSION OF, YEAH, WHATEVER BACK WAY BACK THEN AND THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE COMING, THEY WERE FORECASTING THAT THIS WAS THE GREATEST NEED.
AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION THEN ABOUT WHAT TO DO.
IT DIDN'T GO VERY FAR BECAUSE RECESSION HIT, AND ENROLLMENT DIPPED AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I DO THINK IT TO BE SAID THIS DOES THIS SCHOOL DOES AFFECT THE MOST STUDENTS AND I WOULD SAY THE MOST AREA OF THE SCHOOLS THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, AS FAR AS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT STUDENTS THAT COME THERE FROM RIDGELY, GREENSBORO AND DENTON.
WOULD YOU SAY THIS IS THE LEAST, LEAST SAFE FOR STUDENTS IN THE MOST DIFFICULT TO ACCESS FROM THE OUTSIDE? I WOULD SAY FROM THE OVERALL, IT'S THE BUILDING.
RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S A DISASTER GETTING OUT OF SAFETY.
AND ONCE YOU GET IN, MAYBE GETTING TO WHERE THE PROBLEM WAS, BECAUSE IF IT'S IN CERTAIN AREAS AT SCHOOL, NARROW HALLWAYS, YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING TO GET TO SOMETHING ELSE. AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IS GOING TO BE HARD TO GET ANYTHING IN OTHER THAN A PERSON AT A TIME, WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY DO. THEY DO.
AND IF DENTON PD IS NOT GOING TRAFFIC BLOCKS, THEY'LL LET THE BUSSES OUT.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING THAT RIGHT.
YEAH. SO, IT'S EVERYTHING'S JAMMED UP FOR THAT WHOLE.
SO, WE HAVE A QUARTER MILE AREA.
WE HAVE TWO MORE TO WALK THROUGH JUST TO, WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO WHERE WE'RE, WHERE OUR FEELINGS MAY LIE AND REALLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, MR. MENGEL. THE NEXT ONE IS [INAUDIBLE] OLDER BUILDING THAN WHAT WAS SHOWN BEFORE 1966.
WE'VE ADDED A FEW RENOVATIONS AND ADDITIONS OVER THE YEARS.
I WOULD PUT IT AT 34 YEARS OLD AS OF RIGHT NOW.
SMALL, SMALL NUMBER OF STUDENTS USE THIS BUILDING.
177 RIGHT NOW IT'S STATE RATED CAPACITY IS AT 95% OF THAT STATE RATED CAPACITY.
IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT ON IT.
AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT PART OF THE BUILDING?
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IT'S A SMALL BUILDING.YOU GUYS JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE PARTS THAT YOU CAN AFFECT.
SEEING LOCKERMAN VERSUS A SMALLER.
NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED.
JUST SAYING THAT IT IS A SMALL BUILDING.
DO WE KNOW WE'LL HAVE ANSWERS ABOUT CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE? SO, OUR COMMISSIONERS AND THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE ALL AGREED.
SO, DID THEY PUT THE LETTER OF SUPPORT IN? IT'S PROBABLY THE SAFEST WAY TO WORD THAT.
SO, CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR DESIGN PHASE.
SHOULD BE STARTING HOPEFULLY BY THE WINTER.
WE HAVE BEEN OFFERED A SEAT AT THE TABLE AS WELL AS THE OTHER SCHOOL SYSTEMS HAVE, BECAUSE AS THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR NEW CAREER AND TECHNOLOGY CENTER, THEIR NEW TECHNOLOGY BUILDING, THEY ARE NOT PLANNING FOR IT TO BE UTILIZED DURING THE DAY.
THEY'RE PLANNING FOR IT TO BE UTILIZED IN THE EVENINGS FOR THEIR COURSES, FOR WORKFORCE COURSES.
SO, THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE OPEN FOR USE, WHICH THEY'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE CONVERSATION DURING THE DESIGN PHASE, WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE FOR SCHOOL SYSTEMS TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE, EITHER FOR SOLELY FOR THEM OR FOR, SAY, US, A JOINT PROGRAM WITH ANOTHER COUNTY.
THEY ARE BUILDING SPACE THAT WILL BE COMPARABLE TO SOME OF THE PROGRAMS WE CURRENTLY OFFER.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M RECOMMENDING A DECISION TODAY BECAUSE LITERALLY THEY ARE AT THE DESIGN PHASE, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF IT, BUT THEY VERY WELL COULD BE OFFERING A CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM THAT'S THERE THAT WILL BE OUTFITTED WITH ON THEIR DIME FOR ALL OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EQUIPMENT.
NOT SAYING WE'RE THERE, BUT FACILITY WISE, THAT MAY DRIVE THAT CONVERSATION FOR US WITH SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS. WE ARE MOVING MORE INTO AN ERA OF KIDS TAKING DUAL ENROLLMENT.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR DUAL ENROLLMENT BASED OFF OF BLUEPRINT.
WE'VE NOT EXPLORED WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE OFFER A GOOD NURSING PROGRAM.
I ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND STAFF FOR OUR NURSING PROGRAM.
THE COLLEGE OFFERS AN EXCEPTIONAL, EXCEPTIONAL NURSING PROGRAM.
IF THERE'S A COMPARABLE PROGRAM DOWN THE ROAD, AND IF WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE SENDING A BUS TO CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE FOR KIDS FOR DUAL ENROLLMENT ON A REGULAR, IT JUST BECOMES PART OF DUAL ENROLLMENT OR IT BECOMES CTE PROGRAMING.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY ALL IT'S ABOUT WORTH.
WE HAVE FOUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE 40 YEARS OLD.
IT ENDED UP ON OUR CIP PRIOR TO ME COMING INTO THIS ROLE, EVEN AS THE INTERIM AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE PRICE TAG ON IT WAS 15 MILLION AND IT WAS ON THERE FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO.
THE PRICE TAG ON A NEW CTE CENTER IS PROBABLY GOING TO FALL ON THE $2.530 MILLION RANGE, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT THAT FAR OFF FROM WHAT A SMALLER VERSION OF ONE OF THE ELEMENTARIES.
OR IF IT'S A LOCKERMAN 65 MILLION, THAT'S HALF OF LOCKERMAN.
THAT'S 900 TO POSSIBLY 1000 KIDS VERSUS 177.
AND WE PROBABLY CAN'T ATTACH IT TO A NEW LOCKERMAN.
YOU COULD, BUT THERE YOU JUST INCREASED YOUR COST OF LOCKERMAN SINKING FUNDS FOR BOTH.
BUT PUT IT ON ONE SPOT IF YOU COULD.
BUT THEN AGAIN, IF CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE IS GOING, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THE STUFF FROM HERE, WHICH THEN IN TURN WE COULD RENOVATE BECAUSE NORTH CAROLINE WILL PROBABLY NEED IN THE FUTURE.
THEY COULD USE SOME OF THAT SPACE AND WE CAN STILL CONTINUE.
NORTH HIGH IS NOT DECREASING IN SIZE.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DECREASE IN SIZE.
I KNOW THE PROJECTIONS SHOW IT GOING DOWN A LITTLE.
A BIT, BUT AT GREENSBORO IS GOING UP, SO IS LOCKERMAN AND NORTH.
THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP GOING UP. AND CCTC IS, I HATE TO USE THE WORD, BUT IT'S SAFER.
IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY SAFETY ISSUES AT LOCKERMAN.
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UP, AND BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE OF WHERE IT IS, IT'S NOT QUITE THE CHALLENGE.I IMAGINE, WITH THAT BLUEPRINT THAT ENROLLMENT AT CCTC IS GOING TO INCREASE.
WHEN YOU THINK THAT STUDENT ENROLLMENT WITH, I THINK, CREDITS IN THE TRADES.
AND I THINK IF WE ADJUST OUR PROGRAMING TO WHERE BLUEPRINT IS ASKING US TO GO, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
I'M NOT BLUEPRINT IS DEFINITELY PUSHING THAT.
WE HAVE PROGRAMING THAT COMES OUT WITH USABLE CREDENTIALS THAT GET STUDENTS TO A LIVABLE WAGE, WHICH I THINK THEY IDENTIFIED LIKE 50 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL THAT WE DON'T MEET.
SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS DON'T MEET THAT.
YEAH. AND THEY'RE ALSO ASKING US TO PUSH UP ENROLLMENT IN APPRENTICESHIPS.
SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 323333 STUDENTS IN APPRENTICESHIP.
RIGHT NOW, THEY WANT US TO GET UPWARDS OF 20 SOME PERCENT OF OUR KIDS IN APPRENTICESHIP, WHICH IF WE DO, THAT'S 20% OF OUR 21% OF OUR JUST CALL IT SENIORS EASIER THAT WAY ISN'T IN OUR BUILDINGS, BUT MAYBE A QUARTER OF THE DAY.
SO THAT THEN ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR PRESSURE POINTS ON SOME OF YOUR BUILDINGS.
IF ALL THAT COMES TO FRUITION BUT INCREASES, IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YEAH. THEY'RE DOING OR CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE IN THE JOBS.
WELL, YOU SAID IT EARLY ON SEEING WHAT CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE IS GOING TO DO.
YEAH. AFFECTS DECISION POINTS HERE FOR THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR.
YEAH. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE MORE OF A MAYBE NOT RIGHT WORD, MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP THERE SOLVES THIS ISSUE AND MAYBE EVEN PROVIDE MORE SPACE AT NORTH CAROLINE.
BUT I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING OUT LOUD THERE.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR FOUR BUILDINGS TO CONSIDER.
BUT WE DID WANT TO RAISE FEDERALSBURG, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF, BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT FIXING UP FEDERALSBURG A LITTLE BIT, IT WILL HAVE TO GO INTO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO START THAT PROCESS ROLLING FORWARD FOR FUNDING.
BUT BILL, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THE LEGO THAT IS, I GOT TO TELL YOU THAT PICTURE, THE ROOF HAS BEEN MY BIGGEST FRUSTRATION OF EVERYTHING HERE, AND SO HAPPY THAT THE GROUP IS LOOKING AS GOOD AS IT LOOKS LIKE A BRAND-NEW SCHOOL.
YEAH, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT FROM THE TOP WAS BUILT IN 1935.
OKAY. AND THEN WE'VE EXPANDED LEFT AND RIGHT OF IT GOING FORWARD.
SO, THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY IS LOOKING REALLY GOOD.
IT'S THE INSIDE THAT REALLY NEEDS A LOT OF HELP, A LOT OF ATTENTION.
MAYBE LOOK AT DOING SOME PAINTING, FRESHEN UP, GET A DIFFERENT COLOR.
I'M THINKING OF WHAT? THE BATHROOMS. YOU KNOW, THE BATHROOMS CAME OUT BEFORE THE FINAL DRYWALL GUY CAME IN WITH HIS ESTIMATE.
DOLLARS WITH THE TWO BATHROOMS THAT ARE DOWNSTAIRS NEXT TO THE CAFETERIA BY THE SLOPE.
THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ADA COMPLIANT.
WE WERE GOING TO LOSE SOME; WE LOSE SOME TOILETS.
AND, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY FEDERALSBURG IS NOT A LARGE SCHOOL.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE ISSUE. WE HAVE IT LOCKED IN THERE WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, 300, 150 KIDS.
AND WE STARTED TRUSTEE BATHROOMS MADE OF ADA.
WE MIGHT ONLY HAVE ONE TOILET PER BATHROOM BECAUSE OF THE ADA COMPLIANCE.
NOT GOOD AT ALL. SO, FEDERALSBURG IS.
YEAH, IF WE DID THAT AND I BELIEVE WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DO THAT CONVERSION.
BUT FORTUNATELY, IT'S ALSO A SMALLER SCHOOL THAT CAN KIND OF ABSORB THAT.
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AND I WENT TO THE PRINCIPAL, AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, DO YOU SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM? YOU KNOW, I KNOW HOW YOU DO BATHROOMS. IF THE WHOLE CLASS GO AT ONE TIME, OR IF YOU FILTER THEM OUT THROUGHOUT THE CLASS THROUGHOUT THE DAY OR WHATEVER, AND IT'S THAT WOULD STILL BE FINE.SO, IF WE HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO DOWN THE ROAD AND MAKE THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION CONVERSION TO MORE ADA COMPLIANT, UPGRADE THE BATHROOMS AND ALL THAT, YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE INSIDE SO MUCH BETTER.
AND THE ADA COMPLIANCE BEING COMPLIANT BASED ON COMPLIANCE BASED ON WHEN IT WAS RENOVATED.
YES. SO, WE ARE SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
YES. AS SOON AS WE TOUCH IT TO DO SOMETHING TO IT, IT COMES UP TO THE CURRENT.
THAT'S PART OF WHY RENOVATIONS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH. AND WHERE WOULD YOU REBUILD THIS SCHOOL IF WE REBUILD? 20 YEARS. 20 YEARS.
DOESN'T MEAN TOO MUCH, BUT MY VISION IS THAT IT WOULD BE WHERE THE BALL FIELDS ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT THAT'S PLENTY OF PROPERTY THAT BACK IN THOSE FIELD AREAS.
MR. MENGEL WILL BE HERE IN 20 YEARS TO SEE THAT MS. BARRY WILL BE HERE.
WHERE WOULD CCTC BE? I WOULD RECOMMEND CCTC.
RENOVATION BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THAT UNLESS.
UNLESS THE COUNTY WERE TO GIVE PROPERTY.
YEAH, SAY A DOUBLE HILLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU COULDN'T USE THE SAME BLUEPRINT, I MEAN, FOOTPRINT.
THEY EXPAND ON THAT PARKING LOT SO THEY POTENTIALLY COULD EXPAND A LITTLE BIT.
AND THERE'S WHERE THE GREENHOUSE AND ALL IN THAT AREA IN THERE, YOU CAN'T GO THE OTHER WAY OUT BY THE BY THE YOU CAN'T GO OUT TO THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THE BALL FIELDS, FIELDS, TENNIS COURTS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE PLANT BALL FIELDS.
FINE. JUST THE WORST LOCATION FOR A BALL FIELD NEXT TO A PARKING LOT.
OH, MY GOODNESS. SO, FEDERALSBURG IS THE OLDEST.
WELL, THE LITTLE SECTION THE LITTLE SECTION OF PART OF IT.
FEDERALSBURG WE'VE ADDED SIX DIFFERENT ADDITIONS AND RENOVATIONS OVER TIME.
WE'VE ADDED LIKE 6 OR 7 DIFFERENT RENOVATIONS AND ADDITIONS OVER TIME TO EXPAND THE BUILDING.
AND EVERY TIME WE DO THAT AGAIN, WE KIND OF RESET THE CLOCK.
YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW, THE LATEST SECTION IS 23.
THE NEWEST SECTION IS 23 YEARS OLD WITH THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, 15, 17 YEARS.
THAT PUTS US RIGHT AT 40 YEARS FOR THAT NEW SECTION.
I BELIEVE THE BUILDING WOULD HOLD UP VERY WELL.
I SAY AGAIN, GOING BACK TO YOUR SAYING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING, YOU GOT A ROOF.
THIS WILL BE A GOOD TEST FOR THIS TONIGHT AND TOMORROW, WITH 2 OR 3IN OF RAIN COMING IN.
WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES SINCE THAT.
THE BIG PIECE FOR FEDERALSBURG IS REALLY THE.
WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS FROM STATE AND COUNTY COMBINED TO RENOVATE THE HALLWAYS AND BATHROOMS, THE LOCKERS THAT ARE IN THERE.
ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS DON'T USE LOCKERS.
I MEAN, COMMISSIONER BREEDING AND I WERE LAUGHING, TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT DECADE THE VINTAGE WAS, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY IT LOOKED MORE PROBABLY LIKE EITHER THE 59 OR 67, I'LL BE HONEST.
IT DEFINITELY WAS THAT VINTAGE.
THE FLOOR TILE IN THE BATHROOM.
IT'S IT NEEDS THE LOVE IN THAT SIDE OF THE WORLD, BUT WE DON'T HIT THE MARK FOR THE FULL KIT AND CABOODLE, WHICH IS WHY FEDERALSBURG ISN'T IN OUR DISCUSSION FOR THAT PIECE FOR A FULL RENTAL.
MR. MENGEL AND I ARE OPEN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE IN TERMS OF WHICH SCHOOL YOU FEEL, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH TO IT TONIGHT IF THE BOARD WISHES TO DISCUSS IT MORE, TOTALLY.
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WE TEND TO TALK THIS MANY OPERATIONS, OPERATIONAL BUDGET AND ALL OF ITS CAPITAL.SO, I EXPECT THAT TO BE A PROBABLY A BIG TALKING POINT THAT NIGHT OF WHERE TO GO WITH THAT FUNDING.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO GOOD THAT YOU MADE THIS A TOPIC FOR OUR SESSION TONIGHT, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT NOW, MAYBE EVEN COME UP WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR OPINIONS ABOUT IT NOW, BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL BE READY FOR THAT DISCUSSION IN JANUARY.
MORE SO. SO, THANK YOU FOR THIS TONIGHT.
AND I LIKE THE DRONE PHOTO HERE.
YOU COULD HAVE THAT BE WE DO NOT HAVE A CCTC DRONE.
WE DID THAT WITH THE ROOF GUY WAS ACTUALLY THERE WHEN I WAS OUT THERE.
SO, HEY, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME PHOTOS? I NEED A PHOTO REALLY QUICK.
YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE A LANDING PAD UP THERE.
SO, YEAH, THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL TO PUT MONEY INTO THIS BUILDING.
WHEN WOULD WE WANT IT? WOULD WE BE ASKING FOR NEXT BUDGET? WE'D BE GETTING INTO THE CIP.
WE AS A SCHOOL SYSTEM, WE WOULD NOT BE.
AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WHEN THEY FEEL THEY'RE READY, THAT THEY CAN AFFORD THEIR PIECE.
YES. AND IT'LL HAVE TO BE A SUMMER AND PROBABLY A HARD SUMMER.
YEAH. AND I'M THINKING MAYBE TWO SUMMERS, MAYBE TWO SUMMERS.
ONE SUMMER DOWNSTAIRS, ONE SUMMER UPSTAIRS.
WHAT WE RAN INTO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BATHROOM PROJECT, ESPECIALLY THE BOYS' SIDE, THAT OLD SECTION IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THERE THAT CAN BE MET STRUCTURALLY TO BE FIXED AND REMEDIED. IT'S JUST IT'S A MYSTERY WHEN YOU PULL THE WALL BACK A LITTLE BIT AND YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AND YOU'RE SEEING LIKE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE BOOKS, LIKE WHAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL STUFF IS WHAT IS THAT? IF ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE AN OLD HOME, YOU GET IT? YEAH. YEAH. SO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAND THERE, DO WE? NO. WE'D HAVE TO BUILD A LOT OF KIND INTO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW IF SCHOOLS ARE EXEMPT FROM THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST A COUPLE HERE, THAT AND OTHERS THAT VERY SOON ARE GOING TO QUALIFY AS HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THAT AFFECTS YOUR CONSTRUCTION.
HISTORIC PRESERVATIONISTS WILL LOOK AT THAT OLD SCHOOL AND SAY, WOW, 1935, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT.
YOU KNOW, I WON'T BORE YOU WITH HORROR STORIES I'VE HEARD COME OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.
SO, IT'S A LITTLE FRIGHTENING.
AND I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I'M EXPECTING TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
BUT THOSE THINGS WOULD COME OUT OF THE FEASIBILITY.
ARE THEY PERHAPS EXEMPT? AND YEAH, AND IT'S ALSO ALL THOSE RENOVATIONS, WHETHER IT'S THIS ONE OR CCTC WOULD QUALIFY AS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THE OTHERS ARE COMING.
SO YEAH, THAT'D BE THE KIND OF THING BECAUSE IT, MAN, IT ADDS A LOT OF COST.
THE OTHER JUST GENERAL COMMENT.
THAT SOUNDS GREAT. BUT THEN THEY'RE ALL EVEN AGED.
YEAH. AND THEY ALL COME OF AGE FOR RENOVATION AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET IT DONE.
AND JUST LIKE BUILDING ROADS OR WHATEVER ELSE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LIFESPAN.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE.
THESE THINGS ALL HAVE A LIFESPAN.
AND. WE HAVE MORE NEEDS THAN CAN BE PAID FOR.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHICH ONE IS THE TOP CHOICE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PREJUDICE THE BOARD.
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN COMMENTS HERE.
WHAT KIND OF ACTION IS ALMOST SCARY TO ME IS I'M GLAD TROY BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT LOCKERMAN AS FAR AS IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY OF ANY KIND THAT, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN IS REALLY GETTING IN, GETTING OUT, GETTING INTO, GETTING IN AND GETTING WHERE YOU NEED TO GO.
HAVE YOU BEEN THERE LIKE IN THE MORNINGS JUST FOR.
YEAH, I USED TO BE THERE, AND I KNOW IT WAS THE ONE-WAY TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT JUST NEVER CLICKED ON ME THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A TRAGEDY OF ANY KIND HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ONE WAY TRAFFIC YOU WERE THERE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.
THAT TO ME IS WHAT, LIKE YOU SAID, KIND OF MAKES IT A NO BRAINER.
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I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL REALLY, I GUESS THE PROBLEM IS FINDING PROPERTY.THE COUNTY, AT LEAST AT LEAST THE INDIVIDUALS THAT RICK AND I SPOKE WITH.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL BY ANY MEANS YET.
THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO START HERE.
BUT IN CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE ALL PROBABLY HAD INDIVIDUALLY, THERE IS SUPPORT OF THEM UTILIZING SPACE THAT THEY HAVE THE COUNTY.
YEAH. SO, WE WOULD NOT WE WOULD NOT.
WELL THEORETICALLY THEY WOULD NOT BECAUSE THE COUNTY FOOTS THEIR PORTION OF THE STATE.
SO, IF THEY NEED TO, THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
MAKES SENSE. YEAH. I'M JUST THINKING HOW MANY KIDS ACTUALLY WALK TO THAT SCHOOL.
AND THIS THAT'S PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT OKAY.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES.
AND THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS THEY LOOK AT PUTS MORE KIDS ON BUSSES.
YES. DO WE HAVE ROOM FOR THEM DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE STUDY AS WELL? THEY WOULD LOOK AT LOOK AT THAT PIECE.
OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD SAY, FOR SERVING YOUTH AFTER SCHOOL WITH OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD EXIST IN CAROLINE COUNTY, AND IT BEING DOWN THE STREET WOULD BE EVEN BETTER.
YEAH, THERE ARE THERE ARE POSITIVES TO BEING 100% DRIVE IN AND OUT AND THERE'S NEGATIVES. YOU KNOW, COLONEL, 100%.
DRIVE IN AND OUT. IT'S A DESTINATION.
YEAH, IT ABSOLUTELY HAPPENED BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THE STORY WAS WHEN THEY WANTED TO BUILD.
IT WASN'T TRULY A DRAW THE LINE AND MAKE SURE IT'S EQUAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TOWNS.
NO, IT WAS THAT'S WHERE THE LAND WAS THE RIGHT PRICE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT ENDED UP. SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
BUT, I MEAN, THERE'S TRADEOFFS.
TROY IF YOU HAVE EVERYBODY DRIVE IN.
THERE ARE INCREASED COSTS THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S SUPERVISION ALL TIME. THERE'RE ALSO NOT ALL THE CARS DRIVING LIKE RIGHT NOW.
AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY MR. JONES DESCRIBED IT. THERE'S ONE WAY TRAFFIC, EXCEPT FOR THE FOLKS WHO DON'T.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO. IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
IN THE MORNING AT LOCKERMAN, WE HAVE KIDS CROSSING THE STREET AND YOU HAVE BUSSES LETTING OFF.
YOU HAVE CARS COMING THIS WAY AND YOU HAVE A FEW THIS WAY BECAUSE YOU CAN.
RIGHT? THAT'S A LOT TO KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE STREETS OR IN THE EVENINGS.
SO THAT WAY THE PARENT CAN JUMP OUT AND GO AROUND.
YOU'VE GOT CARS GOING BY AND IT'S A GOOD POINT.
IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION IS CONTROLLED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T CONTROL WHAT SOMEBODY DOES 400FT AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL OR 300. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 300FT ARE ALL VALID POINTS.
HOW FAR CAN WE PUT A STAFF PERSON DOWN TO KEEP AN EYE ON EITHER THE STUDENTS WALKING OR THE PEOPLE PICKING UP STUDENTS? I MEAN, WE HAVE A FEW STAFF MEMBERS WHO'VE DONE IT THEMSELVES AND I APPRECIATE THEM FOR IT.
WE'LL WALK THEM ALL THE WAY UP THE HILL.
RIGHT? THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
SO, IT'S NOT JUST AGE CONDITION OF THE SCHOOL CAPACITY.
THESE ARE ALL SAFETY ISSUES AND THEY'RE ALL VALID POINTS.
AND MAYBE WE ALL KIND OF AGREE.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT SAYING WE AGREE IF YOU WANT TO MOTION, IT WILL HELP ME IF THERE'S A MOTION FOR WHICH SCHOOL WOULD BE THE BOARD'S PRIORITY, BECAUSE THAT HELPS US TO THEN MOVE WHERE WE NEED TO DO A SECOND.
BUT MY MOTION IS THE PRIORITY.
SHE COULD SWITCH THAT ANY WAY YOU WANT, BUT YOU'RE LIKE, I SECOND THAT MOTION.
SEE IF SHE HAD SAID DENTON, YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
YEAH. SO, ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION.
WE'VE GOT A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT LOCKERMAN? THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL THROW OUT THERE AND IT'S MAYBE A QUESTION THE BUSSING.
SO, ALL THOSE WALKERS WOULD HAVE TO BE BUSED.
IT'S NOT THAT FAR OF A BUS RIDE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE LIGHT OF THE COST.
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AND YEAH, IT'S NOT FAR.THAT'S WHAT TWO MILES THE COUNTY AND TOWN ARE ALSO IN, HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY WELL TOGETHER ON OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING WATER AND SEWER TO THAT PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD ALSO MAKE IT IDEAL FOR THE SCHOOL.
WE HAVE A FEW SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT ON TOWN WATER AND SEWER, WHICH IS NOT NOT A FUN THING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH, SO I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. IF THAT'S WHERE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY SAYS IT DOES GO.
I MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
THEY NEVER CARRIED IT FAR ENOUGH TO GET THAT FINAL PIECE.
BUT THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION WAS THAT DOUBLE HILLS WOULD BE THE LOCATION.
AND THE TECH PARK DIDN'T FALL IN THE CIRCLE.
YEAH, IT WASN'T ACCEPTABLE EVEN THOUGH ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MOTION.
SO, UNLESS THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, WE CAN CALL A VOTE.
OUR NEXT STEP AND WE'RE BILL AND I WILL BE WALKING THROUGH THIS TOGETHER.
IT'LL BE OUR FIRST TIME THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS.
AND WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THE NEXT STEPS TO PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO BE PREPARED FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION. TO SEE THE SCOPE THIS OUT FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A REVISION TO OUR CIP AT SOME POINT.
AND SO, WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT UP FOR THE STATE TO SEE.
SO, THEY SEE IT'S COMING SO THEY CAN PLAN THEIR OUT YEARS.
AND WE'LL KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED AND WALK THROUGH IT.
I DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT FROM LIKE 2012.
WITH THE COVID THEY WERE NOT PAYING A LOT 78%, 80% KOBE YEARS ON, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TREND OF CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY OR WHAT, BUT THERE'S PERCENTAGES OF JOHN BEING POOR.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
SO, THERE'S ANOTHER COUNTY THAT'S AT 100%.
THERE'S ANOTHER THERE'S TWO COUNTIES THAT ARE 98% ON THE EASTERN SHORE.
SO, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT MAYBE WE CAN ACTUALLY SLIP UP A LITTLE HIGHER.
I'M NOT SURE. NO. SO, I DID HEAR TODAY ON A CALL TOTALLY SEPARATE.
COMMISSION THAT I'M NOW ON PERSON FROM THE IAC WAS THERE.
SO, THIS IS NEW SO WE'RE STILL LEARNING IT.
SO, THERE IS A COMPONENT OF BLUEPRINT THAT DOES TOUCH SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION FUNDING.
AND IF YOUR SCHOOLS QUALIFY FOR CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY FUNDING, THERE IS A KICKER THAT GOES INTO MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR BUILDINGS AND AREAS THAT WILL QUALIFY. LOCKERMAN LIKELY EVERYTHING WE'RE SEEING LOCKERMAN AS OF NEXT YEAR WILL QUALIFY FOR CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY FUNDING, WHICH MEANS THEIR FARMS RATE IS HIGH ENOUGH THAT THEY WILL RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT CAN HELP WITH THAT AS WELL.
YEAH. SO NOW GREAT POINT, BECAUSE LITERALLY THAT WAS AT LIKE 130 TODAY.
THAT WAS ON A, SO ANOTHER REASON WHY THAT WAS THE RIGHT MOTION.
SAFETY. TO ME SAFETY IS LIKE THE NUMBER ONE.
THERE'S NO UNDOING A SAFETY DISASTER.
RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T KEEP THE STUDENT SAFE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IN MY OPINION.
BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S WORKING HARD.
I'M NOT SAYING. I KNOW, I KNOW.
I THINK IT'S THE REALIZATION THAT THAT SCHOOL WAS BUILT AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED AS FAR AS EVEN RELATED TO AS FAR AS EVEN THE TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MOVE TO A BETTER, TO PUT OURSELVES IN A BETTER SITUATION, PUT OUR STUDENTS IN A BETTER SITUATION, NOW'S THE TIME TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SITUATION, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT GROUP OF STUDENTS IN A BETTER, I'M GUESSING TWO YEARS AGO, THE VAST MAJORITY OF KIDS GOING TO THAT SCHOOL EITHER WALKED OR TOOK A BUS.
TODAY, SO MANY PARENTS ARE DRIVING KIDS TO SCHOOL, AND I'M NOT CRITICIZING THAT.
BUT THAT CREATES A LOT OF WHAT DON IS TALKING ABOUT.
YOU HAVE WALKERS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DRIVERS AND BUSSES ON ROADS THAT CAN'T HANDLE IT.
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WE MIGHT GET FIVE.AND THAT IS ALSO THE SCHOOL THAT HAS THE HIGHEST POPULATION OF THE SCHOOLS WE WERE LOOKING AT.
ALL RIGHT. SO, I THINK WE CAN MOVE ALONG OKAY.
THAT'S OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND NOW UPCOMING MEETINGS AND EVENTS.
[3. Upcoming Meetings/Events]
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON IN DECEMBER.SO, FOR THE CONCERTS I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO FILL OUT THE GOOGLE SHEET.
SCHOOLS DO APPRECIATE HAVING YOU GUYS THERE ON THE 14TH.
YEAH. AS A BOARD IF YOU CAN SPREAD OUT WHEN WE HAVE DOUBLED UP, THAT'S GREAT.
HOWEVER, IT IS THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE DR.
DOWNS, AND I WERE LOOKING AT THIS.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CATCH A JAZZ CHORUS CONCERT FOR PART OF IT, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG.
THEN MAKE IT TO NORTH CAROLINE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN GO BACK TO GREENSBORO.
YOU MIGHT, BUT IT'LL BE A LITTLE HARD.
I KNOW THAT ALL THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ANYWAY, THEY DO A DAY ONE AS WELL.
SO, ONCE WE GET THAT WHEN THE DAYTIME.
YEAH. BECAUSE THAT HELPS ME GET TO THEM AS WELL.
YEAH. AND THE 21ST IS DOUBLED.
THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE A 21ST.
RIGHT. ARE THEY GOING TO SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME? ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN GET THEM TO.
ALL RIGHT. I'M SURE THAT I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT DECEMBER 21ST.
I THINK ABOUT GOING I'M REALLY ONLY KIDDING BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE, FREAK OUT IF THEY DID THAT.
YEAH, AND COLONEL IS ONLY GOING ONE NIGHT.
YEAH. THEY DO EVERYTHING IN ONE PRODUCTION.
THERE IS NO WAY TO FIT ONE IN.
YOU KNOW HONESTLY, I THINK TODAY I FELT BAD FOR YOU GUYS HAVING TO COME LIKE, THIS IS YOUR VACATION.
IT'S RAINING. IT'S NOT MIDNIGHT YET.
YEAH, BILL WILL BE FOR I WISH I WASN'T GOING OUT OF TOWN TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO FLIP THAT.
YOU CAN EITHER DO IT THROUGH AN AGENDA CHANGE THAT NIGHT, OR WE CAN ADD IT AS AN ITEM TO DISCUSS AT THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU WANT.
BUT ABOUT CHANGING THAT STRUCTURE, IT USED TO BE DIFFERENT.
THEN IT WAS FLOPPED TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR ME AS A GROUP.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I HEAR WITH THAT CHANGE BECAUSE IT IS IN A LONG TIME.
YEAH, THEY DID, AND ESPECIALLY HERE.
WE USED TO DO DISCUSSION, DO REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS PRIOR TO ACTION ITEMS. I REMEMBER THAT PREVIOUS BOARD CHANGED IT TO HAVE ACTION ITEMS FIRST BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING, WE'RE MAKING BIG DECISIONS THAT COST LOTS OF MONEY TO DO IT.
WHEN OUR BRAINS ARE FRESHER, THEN GET THE REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS WHEN WE'RE NOT HAVING TO.
THAT WAS THE RATIONALE AT THE TIME.
I'M NOT SAYING I AGREE OR DISAGREE.
I'M UP AT FIVE EACH MORNING NO MATTER WHAT, BUT THAT WAS THE FEELING OF THE BOARD AT THE TIME.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SWITCH IT BACK TO REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS FIRST.
AND THEN ACTION ITEMS. THAT IS TOTALLY THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURE OF THAT.
FUTURE AGENDAS WILL BE STRUCTURED THAT WAY.
ACTION ITEMS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE INTERNAL FOLKS.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT IT QUITE THAT POINT.
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A LONG TIME, IT'S ALMOST, IT WAS ALMOST TOO LATE AT THAT POINT TO BE ABLE TO.IT WAS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY, WE CAN BE MORE THERE IS TO TRY TO ANTICIPATE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA IN ADVANCE, LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE WE CAN, WE CAN HIGHLIGHT WHO MEMBERS ARE IF THEY'RE COMING FROM THE WE KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE PREFERENCE IS OF THE GROUP HERE.
SO, THEN WE JUST MAKE AN AGENDA ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT.
THAT'S PERFECT. YEAH. BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME IT DOESN'T MATTER.
RIGHT. IT DOES. BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.
AND WE'VE HAD IT HAPPEN WITH OTHER THINGS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH OR GOOD ENOUGH TO COME HERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE 830, 9:00, WAIT A MINUTE.
AND THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE LIKE 630 AND THEY WENT AT LIKE 815.
YEAH. WELL, I LIKE MAKING THOSE ALL GUYS.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH, YEAH.
JUST KIDDING. SO, ONE MORE QUESTION OR COMMENT ABOUT THE LIST HERE.
ANY OF YOU BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TO ONE OF THE AMP PRESENTATIONS? I'VE BEEN A FEW TIMES.
I KNOW DONNA HAS BEEN A BUNCH OF TIMES.
I DON'T MEAN TO SINGLE OUT ANYBODY WHO MAY HAVE BEEN THERE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT, I CERTAINLY WOULD BACK AWAY IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR INDICATION THERE, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY A COOL THING TO GO TO THE WORK THEY DO. AND SOME OF THESE KIDS ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M IF THIS IS RIGHT TO SAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THEY'RE SHYER AND A LITTLE MORE RESERVED.
SO, IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
AND THE PROJECTS THAT THEY BUILD, I MEAN, THEY'RE REALLY NEAT.
AND SO, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN, YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE.
AND AGAIN, IF WE SEE IF I LOOK AND I SEE OTHER PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO GO, I'M JUST SUGGESTING I'M NOT LIKE TRYING TO BE FORCEFUL ABOUT THIS, BUT I WOULD GLADLY BACK OUT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE SO THAT WE CAN COVER OTHER THINGS.
WHENEVER I CAN GO, I WANT TO GO.
I COULDN'T GO WHEN THEY DID THEIR, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DO THE PITCH.
YEAH. YEAH. I COULDN'T MAKE THAT.
THAT'S REALLY FUN TO KIND OF SEE THE PROCESS AT WORK AND IN THE SPRING IF YOU CAN GO TO WHEN THEY PITCH IT AND THEN GO BACK WHEN THEY PRESENT THE PRODUCT, AND YOU SEE HOW THEY ARE BETTER AT SPEAKING AND MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEMSELVES.
YEAH, IT'S REALLY COOL AND PROUD OF THEIR WORK.
AND THEY ARE ALWAYS, I ALWAYS WALK OUT OF THERE LIKE LESS MONEY.
WHEN YOU SEE THE PAST PROJECTS ARE IN THERE.
YEAH, RIGHT. REALLY PRETTY COOL.
SO, THAT'S JUST MY PITCH FOR THAT ONE.
ANYWAY. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE EVENTS, RACHEL? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT THAT? THAT WE OUGHT TO BE PAYING BETTER ATTENTION TO? WE'RE GOOD. I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
AND SHE'LL BE HERE IN 20 YEARS TO TELL THEM ABOUT THAT.
ALL RIGHT. NEXT BOARD MEETING IS DECEMBER 5TH.
YEAH, RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN ADJOURN AND LET EVERYBODY GO HOME.
MAKE A MOTION. WE ADJOURN, AND I MAKE A MOTION.
EVERYBODY HAS A VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
WE CAN DO A DOUBLE MOTION LIKE THAT.
ALL IN FAVOR? GOT A SECOND? YEAH. GOOD.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.